Woman Fired For Not Wearing Makeup To Work

[cappuccina]

[Ally]

What are codes but more rules slapped on people to keep them from exploring the beauty of one's natural state. Codes of any sort are oppressive restrictive and idiotic! And as long as a surgeon washes his or her hands, their armpits can be as foul as they want them.

[cappuccina]

...actually, Ally you are wrong. Being naked and dirty violates medical health codes, public health sanitation codes, and medical regulations (Federal and State) surrounding all medical and food-related workers in the United States....with the exception of the naked servers at your local "Dangle Bar and Grill" type of place who still theoretically have to be clean...I don't quite know how they get around that...except they are serving the food rather than cooking it, I guess...

A surgeon refusing to do a proper "wash-up" before and after doing a surgical procedure would be fired, for example.

[Errata]

I will say that I am repulsed by servers with an eyebrow ring. Not because of the piercing per se, but because most people with brow rings walk around with the piercing in some stage of infection or another. Makes me gag.

[Ally]

No but its unhygienic and would offend people not to wash and similarly it would be offensive to some people to be served in a shop by a naked person (obviously this doesnt apply to naturist resorts ). Make-up is an add on. Like jewellery and piercings.

Who cares if you offend people? If you believe it's your god given right to smell and be naked, then shouldn't you have the right? Clothes and deodorant are just as much of add ons as make up and jewelry. There is absolutely no difference between them.

And as i said being unclean is not attractive.
People can be attractive without make-up.

That's your opinion. Your personal opinion. Some people think women without make-up is not attractive, and that's their personal opinion. And if that is the personal opinion of the person running they store, they have the right to insist that their employees present themselves attractively--by their definition, not yours.

It may be their right. It doesn't make it right.

Doesn't make it wrong either.

[babybird67]

Bathing and wearing clothes aren't required to do a job either.

No but its unhygienic and would offend people not to wash and similarly it would be offensive to some people to be served in a shop by a naked person (obviously this doesnt apply to naturist resorts ). Make-up is an add on. Like jewellery and piercings.

Probably any job on the planet can technically be done naked and dirty. Being polite isn't necessarily required. Yet no one seems to have a problem deciding that employers can insist their sales people be clean and dressed and polite.

I am sure naked people would be illegal, would break some decency laws. And as i said being unclean is not attractive. People can be attractive without make-up. There is a difference, in my view. And politeness is a necessity. I wouldnt ever go back to a shop where i was served by somebody who was rude to me.

It has nothing to do with what is required to do a job. It has to do with the simple fact that the person who owns the company and pays the bills gets to decide how his or her company will be represented by the staff. They get to decide the image their company presents, not the employees. And if they want to project an image that they find presentable and attractive, that's their right.

It may be their right. It doesn't make it right.

[Ally]

Bathing and wearing clothes aren't required to do a job either. Probably any job on the planet can technically be done naked and dirty. Being polite isn't necessarily required. Yet no one seems to have a problem deciding that employers can insist their sales people be clean and dressed and polite.

It has nothing to do with what is required to do a job. It has to do with the simple fact that the person who owns the company and pays the bills gets to decide how his or her company will be represented by the staff. They get to decide the image their company presents, not the employees. And if they want to project an image that they find presentable and attractive, that's their right.

[babybird67]

looking good is a matter of perspective though. How many women or men have you seen who look much more beautiful without make up than plastered in it?

Most men I am attracted to are probably conventionally ugly...but we all see beauty in different places.

It's like that woman in the Galaxy advert. I am sure she was chosen because someone thought she looked attractive. To me she looks like an alien!

Models should look good (whatever that means) because it's their job. Someone in HMV shouldnt be expected to be in make up as part of their job. It doesn't affect their job at all.

[tji]

I'd need the attentions of an undertaker to make me look better.

Lol hopefully no time soon


I think I would notice if Madame Devere's whiskers got in my soup.[/
That would be your first reaction!!!!

Yes but whether we like it or not Bb, looking good sells, it is human nature unfortunately. How many times you stood in a queue hoping you are going to get the hunk of a man behind the till no? must be just me then damn! I am sure the men think the same.

Tj

[Ally]

An employer should only be allowed to expect you to attend work clean and presentable. "

Define "presentable".

And why should we even limit it to clean? I mean if someone wants to be dirty and smell, that's their right! The person paying their check shouldn't get to decide how many times they have to bathe, or that they have to wear deodorant so as not to reek like a sweating pig! Deodorant costs money! It takes time to apply. Shampoo costs money! why should I have to wash my hair just because my employer has high falutin' idears about hygeine! Dirty is a natural state! Saying I need deodorant and soap is implying you can improve on my natural state! How insulting is that !

I deserve money. I shouldn't have to abide by anyone's wishes to get it! They should just give it to me, because I have the rights! They don't have no rights, I have all the rights...

Yeah.

[babybird67]

An employer should only be allowed to expect you to attend work clean and presentable. Make-up is not necessary and should be a woman or man's choice to wear or not to wear. Sometimes I wear make-up to work, most often I don't. Does it make me do my job better? No, but then I don't deal with customers face to face. Did it ever make me do my job better when I was working face to face? No. All you need to do to make someone feel valued is to smile at them and show them you are attentive to their needs and queries, and that does not require any make-up.

An obsession with and insistence upon make-up is sadly part of our 'if it looks good it must be worth something' culture. People who serve in shops are not there to look good, they are there to make sure the customer gets good customer service and an appropriate product.

"let her paint an inch thick, to this favour she must come."

[Robert]

I'd need the attentions of an undertaker to make me look better.

I think I would notice if Madame Devere's whiskers got in my soup.

[tji]

I remember the time I was dragged into the boss's office because of my clothes, she wasn't happy about what I was wearing, I was showing too much ahem 'skin'......I think that takes work - I was a barmaid

Robert, I am not sure about others but I think as long as she was confident in her products and what she was selling me worked, I would not be bothered.

In all the retails shops I worked in Marks and Spencers, Matalan etc, while it wasn't part of your contract per se, you were representing the company, wore their uniform and so should look your best, and I am sorry to admit but a little make up, applied correctly helps almost everybody look better.


Tj

[cappuccina]

...you mean even if the well-coiffed, well-dressed and well-accessorized Madame Devere waited on you, you would not notice?? lmao

[Robert]

A question about the mysteries of female shopping : if a woman goes into a store to buy jewellery or clothes or perfume or whatever, would a woman rather be served by a woman with or without make-up, in trousers or a skirt, in high shoes or flat shoes? I read somewhere - can't remember where - that women don't like to buy things from women whom they judge to be their superiors.

I don't think this applies to male shoppers very much, because men decide what to get and then get it. I know that I could be served by a woman with a beard and I probably wouldn't notice - I just want to make the purchase and move on.