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Originally posted by Bob Hinton View PostThere's a piece of film on the battle of the Somme where British troops are going over the top. One of the soldiers - I think he is about the fifth one- gets hit and just slides down.
I'm afraid that I cannot put a name to him for you, never the less, there is a backstory to the footage that, I hope, may be of some interest.
The famous footage that you refer to is from "The Battle of the Somme." A documentary/propaganda film shot by Geoffrey Malins and John McDowell both before and during the actual battle itself. The film was edited together from heaven only knows how many yards of footage, filmed over several weeks and at any number of different locations along a 16 mile front! We can identify certain locations, for example, quite alot of footage is taken from the trenches around "White City" the most well known of which must surely be the detonation of the mine beneath the Hawthorn Ridge Redoubt.
The vast majority of the film is 100% genuine, some of it disturbingly so, including the haunting image of the soldier carrying his dying comrade on his back. A few scenes though were "re-staged" later. I don't know if it is of any consolation, but the "Going over the top" scene and the one of soldiers advancing across the barbed wire that immediately follows it, were both staged at the Third Army Mortar School, near St Pol, around the 12th–19th July 1916. The men "killed" in those two scenes, four in total, were, I'm glad to report, alive and well when the camera stopped rolling. Having said that, they were real soldiers, not actors, so they could well have ended up getting killed in that war sooner or later.
Here is a link to the Imperial War Museum's "The Battle of the Somme. Viewing Guide".
Best wishes,
Zodiac.And thus I clothe my naked villainy
With old odd ends, stol'n forth of holy writ;
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil.
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Originally posted by Robert View PostI think the opening credits of "The World At War" end with a picture of a little boy looking utterly miserable. I've no idea who he was, why he was miserable or what became of him.
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Mona Lisa. Think that there is still debate over who she actually is.
Tank man.
The 11 guys asleep on the girder of the GE building 70 stories in the air, 1930's.
1963 Birmingham civil rights march where police dog is attacking a protester.
The Kiss from world war two. Debate over who they are.
Vietnam napalm kids. The girl is known, do not think the other kids are known.I confess that altruistic and cynically selfish talk seem to me about equally unreal. With all humility, I think 'whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might,' infinitely more important than the vain attempt to love one's neighbour as one's self. If you want to hit a bird on the wing you must have all your will in focus, you must not be thinking about yourself, and equally, you must not be thinking about your neighbour; you must be living with your eye on that bird. Every achievement is a bird on the wing.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
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Think the child with the dog is the illustrators daughter, Jodie Foster came years later in a tv ad. Porn star Marilyn Chambers was the Ivory Soap model though.I confess that altruistic and cynically selfish talk seem to me about equally unreal. With all humility, I think 'whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might,' infinitely more important than the vain attempt to love one's neighbour as one's self. If you want to hit a bird on the wing you must have all your will in focus, you must not be thinking about yourself, and equally, you must not be thinking about your neighbour; you must be living with your eye on that bird. Every achievement is a bird on the wing.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
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there was 2 taken, one of them eating, and one sleeping.I confess that altruistic and cynically selfish talk seem to me about equally unreal. With all humility, I think 'whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might,' infinitely more important than the vain attempt to love one's neighbour as one's self. If you want to hit a bird on the wing you must have all your will in focus, you must not be thinking about yourself, and equally, you must not be thinking about your neighbour; you must be living with your eye on that bird. Every achievement is a bird on the wing.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
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Aha! I should have googled it... cheers sleekviper old chap..
Now then....
I watched a documentary on the BBC last year (so it must be true) about a Welsh guy who died in Britain all alone in the world during WW2... He was dressed up to look like an RAF pilot on a secret mission, complete with false ID papers, realistic love letters, bus tickets etc, but most importantly a letter from a top British military man (Monty I think) which was destined for London suggesting that the Allies would invade Crete NOT Italy...and his body was then dumped off the Spanish coast where it washed ashore making it look like he'd died in a plane crash at sea.
The Gestapo had a man posted there and he quickly heard of this when the Spanish conducted a post mortem, and he used some verbal pressure to peek at the contents of the dead man's attache case which was handcuffed to his arm.
The false letter was found and it's contents eventually found their way to Berlin and were swallowed by the Nazi top brass.... chaging their defensive plans in Italy.
Fascinating and tragic story and I cannot for the life of me remember the poor man's name, and I'm not sure if there's a photograph of him anywhere.
I think he qualifies for a "famous unknown"...
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