Ken Clarke - His views on Rape.

[Natalie Severn]

Am I wrong in thinking that a person who is physically incapable of appreciating the consequences of their actions are physically incapable of informed consent? We aren't okay with normal people having sex with the profoundly brain damaged or developmentally delayed people. Nor should we be. Yet because a 16 year old has boobs, we assume she has a fully developed brain, which every scientific study shows she doesn't.

But 16 is an age when people need to be experimenting with sex surely?
After all its perfectly natural and if nature had her way human beings would reproduce much earlier.
In tudor times they did.The average age for marriage was 16 or 17.

[Sister Hyde]

David-bah moi ça me donne plutot des pulsions homicidaires tu vois, parce que c'est très loin d'ëtre la seule dans ce cas. et déjà moi, j'ai 24 ans donc en gros, je suis une petite, pas si éloignée en âge d'eux. et je me trouvais déjà vachement barré. et crois moi des conneries j'en ai fait! Maintenant ma famille se demande tout le temps pourquoi les gens avec qui je suis en couple ont en général 40 ans.... bah.... y'a une bonne raison

Errata- no you're not wrong in thinking a 16 year old will fully consent without understanding the full importance of the act. she won'ty even feel the sexual act the same as she will 10 years later. Seriously I started early, but i didn't really undetstand the fuss about it or was so great about it until recently. that's why I don't say it's wrong cause some girls are more grown up at this age indeed. but on some fields it won't be right either

[DVV]

It all depends on the cultural context, and ours is deplorable. Sex and pornography are everywhere, but mostly coupled with violence, dirt, etc.

[DVV]

alors il m'a sodomisée.

Une pratique également fréquente dans les pays où l'on infibule les filles, comme la riante Somalie.

[Sister Hyde]

Sex and pornography are everywhere, but mostly coupled with violence, dirt, etc.

well that's the problem today. and it's not weird that they don't see the wrong in that in these circumstances. it has become normal to them like some kind of fashion. the thing is sex mixed with violence and dirt is that it belongs to the "drama" categorie, not to porn, it's not supposed to be a turn on, but they don't understand that yet, not in this environment.

[DVV]

But 16 is an age when people need to be experimenting with sex surely?
After all its perfectly natural and if nature had her way human beings would reproduce much earlier.
In tudor times they did.The average age for marriage was 16 or 17.

That's a good point, Norma.
In traditional societies, you are whether a child or an adult.
But Westerners have quite recently invented adolescence - and don't know what to make of it.

[Sister Hyde]

Une pratique également fréquente dans les pays où l'on infibule les filles, comme la riante Somalie.

pfff y'a tellement d'hypocrisie vis à vis de la sodomie! c'est pratiqué partout sur terre depuis la nuit des temps, mais ça restait tabou car ce n'est voué à la reproduction. moi perso, je dis pas que c'est mal tant que la nana elle aime, après c'est sensé être son choix à elle.

[DVV]

Mouais.....moi je dis que les bonobos ne sont pas du tout en voie de disparition. J'en compte 7 milliards à vue de nez.

[Sister Hyde]

ah mais moi je fais pas de difference de couleur, je méprise tout le monde également tous les peuples ont leurs sale dossiers

[Sister Hyde]

But Westerners have quite recently invented adolescence - and don't know what to make of it.

I think it was that thing born from the "king-child" culture.

[DVV]

Vous vous égarez ma chère.

[Sister Hyde]

Ce que je veux dire David, c'est que tout le monde peut être un salaud, la preuve y'en a partout. je pense que c'est une question d'éducation et à la fois d'environnement.

[DVV]

Tout ça, c'est la faute des gonzesses.

[Errata]

But 16 is an age when people need to be experimenting with sex surely?
After all its perfectly natural and if nature had her way human beings would reproduce much earlier.
In tudor times they did.The average age for marriage was 16 or 17.

Experimenting sure... not sweating up their parent's sheets. The thing is, whatever we were before, we are now a culture where having a kid at 16 is not a good thing. And the only way to reliably prevent 16 year olds from having kids is for them to not have sex. The next best thing is for them to faithfully use protection.

And quite frankly, early sex is bad for the soul. It used to be a marital duty, where you lie back and think of england or whatever. But now it is an important part of a healthy married life. People who have sex early think of it as "just sex". "Why not, i''m not doing anything, he's cute enough, and it's just sex.." I think that's awful. Why would we want people to be jaded about it before they even get to the one their gonna spend their life with? It should be a little sacred. Not a lot, but a little. And it's not anymore.

[Sister Hyde]

oui c'est votre excuse depuis la nuit des temps aussi moi je dis, aucun n'est blanc-bleu