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  • #31
    Hi C.D.,
    I apologize for having listed so many athletes, but in my case it was people I most honestly and deeply admire for their capacities and accomplishments. If I started listing people whose work I like, it would include many artists (authors, musicians, painters, directors, actors, etc.).
    Pertaining to mountaineering, nobody really believes that Mallory and his friends made the Everest summit. Everest, especially its South side (from Nepal) is not so much a technical or dangerous climb, apart from the Kumbu Icefall in the beginning and the last part of the climb, around the Hillary Step. Especially in the last 20 years, with the prepared, all roped route and all technical support/food carried up by the Sherpas, Everist has become a commercial business, for the rich tourists rather than the real mountaineers. The most authentically challenging mountains to climb are K2 (due to its pronounced conical shape and overexposure to storms, plus it's just a few hundred meters shorter than Everest, and very isolated, difficult to reach) and Annapurna (also notorious storm exposure). People agree that the most beautiful Himalayan 8.000er to climb is Cho Oyu.
    I've got Jon Krakauer's Into thin air (very well-structured, well-researched, and clever in its analysis of the 1996 Everest tragedy, but also quite a bit manipulative in the way he portraits Rob Hall as a selfless mentor and Anatoli Boukreev as the villain), I also have Anatoli Boukreev's own book reporting on the event, and even the (pretty much puerile, but honest) report by Danish climber Lene Gammelgaard. The 1996 storm was not an unusual occurrence, “horrific“ in its dimensions or length of time, it just reached tragic consequences due to the fact that people stayed up on the mountain way too late (after 13.00 p.m.), due to the pressure imposed on competing commercial climbing expeditions (of Rob Hall's and Scott Fisher's) to bring as many clients to the summit as possible in order to continue to exist financially.
    Truly horrific storms and avalanches happen regularly on K2 and Annapurna. There are some great books about climbing both these mountains if you're interested in reading about mountaineering in the Himalayans, C.D.. There's also an impressive death toll (of experienced climbers, not tourists) on both these mountains.
    I've only climbed a little bit (glacier and ice in Chamonix, mixed terrain/rock over Grenoble) and adored it, but too expensive to pursue frequently (the travelling). But if I ever get a job in a place close to climbing terrain, definitely. In snowboarding I'm doing freestyle, not freeride/backcountry. Bakcountry requires more expensive travelling, and can't be easily sponsored. Hence I'm comfortable with jumps/crashes, light clothing, riding with an iPod and a tiny backpack, not riding down entire mountain faces with avalanche gear in a huge backpack, careful that not the entire face collapses and pursues me.
    With many apologies for the excursion into mountain-talk.
    Best regards,
    Maria

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    • #32
      Hi Maria,

      Thanks for your quite interesting response.

      I would disagree however with your assertion that nobody believes that Mallory and Irvine reached the summit of Everest. I have read reasonable arguments to the contrary made by experienced climbers that could not be placed in the category of wishfull thinking.

      c.d.

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      • #33
        People you admire?
        Mark Blackford,a mate of mine who does a lot through his church helping disadvantaged kids.
        All the emergency services.
        The millions of people who give to good causes,give up their free time to help out in charity shops for example,volunteers who run homework and breakfast clubs in schools, councillors who work hard for their constituents,and generally anybody who thinks of others once in a while.
        All the best.

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        • #34
          Very well put, Martin.

          c.d.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sister Hyde View Post
            in the vein of serial killers, i also love Mister Richard Ramirez, aka the night stalker.
            At last, an interesting comment on this thread. Thanks,Sister Hyde. Can i ask, do you really get warm and fuzzy about the stalker, or was your comment in the spirit of irony?. Lots of women have a thing about Ramirez, ( i believe Madonna fancies him ) rotting teeth and all.
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            • #36
              Hi C.D.,
              pertaining to Mallory/Irving, the debate of their having possibly reached the summit is quite a bit similar to the debate about the identity of the Ripper. Who knows if perhaps one day more evidence will turn up...
              There's also the debate about if Wanda Rutkiewicz reached the summit before perishing on Kangchenjunga in 1992, and I suspect that she did.
              By the by, if I'm not mistaken, Mallory's expeditions were all from the North side (the Tibet side).
              In my opinion Reinhold Messner is technically, physically, and experience-wise the best climber of all times. Pity that his narratives in his numerous books are a bit tedious, in my opinion. Talking to him was totally cool, though (he gives lectures pretty frequently in Chamonix).
              The thread is turning into a mountaineering thread, he he.

              Originally posted by Phil Carter View Post
              I truly admire the singers in my list. Can't tell you why though, it wouldn't be correct of me.
              Hmm... Makes me wonder if there might be some interesting story/titillating detail in here about Agnetha Faltskong, but I'd hate to pry.
              (Just kidding.)
              Best regards,
              Maria

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              • #37
                I do genuinely admire all the people on my list including (perhaps especially) the musicians. In the case of Django Reinhardt, he was an excellent guitarist and six string banjo player when he was badly burned in a fire and lost most of the use of the ring and little fingers of his left hand. He overcame this devastating injury by developing a different style of playing and becoming arguably the best guitarist of all time. Now that's admirable in my book.

                Best wishes,
                Steve.

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                • #38
                  If admiration includes a sense of head scratching amazement, then Charlie Manson tops my list. How does a runty non-entity become a modern icon?. This mans ability to obssess others and the media is impressive.
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                  • #39
                    Oh,and Geoff Boycott,for services to quantum mechanics.
                    He has helped thousands of students better understand particle/wave duality through his example of making two completely contradictory statements within the space of 10 minures,with both of them being absolutely right.
                    All the best.

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                    • #40
                      What I find completely mystifying is the enduring trend of people spotting T-shirts with Che Guevarra's portrait on them.

                      To Martin Wilson:
                      What were the 2 ccontradictory statements by Boycott?
                      Best regards,
                      Maria

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                      • #41
                        Two completely contradictory statements within the space of 10 minutes?

                        Big deal. People do that on the boards all the time.

                        c.d.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by mariab View Post
                          What I find completely mystifying is the enduring trend of people spotting T-shirts with Che Guevarra's portrait on them.

                          To Martin Wilson:
                          What were the 2 ccontradictory statements by Boycott?
                          I thought the world had forgotten Che.
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                          • #43
                            The Elephant Man. Just to survive as long as he did without topping himself was amazing. But to do it without resentment is altogether breathtaking.

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                            • #44
                              On a lighter note : someone should do a play called The Elegant Man, about a chap whom everyone shuns because he is such a handsome dandy.

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                              • #45
                                I guess he did'nt own a mirror.
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