Sarah Palin is an evil idiot

[protohistorian]

That self awareness can be stochastic in origin?

[sdreid]

The self aware universe of the future out of chaos yes

[protohistorian]

I do not have an opinion really Stan. I remember in psychology they mentioned the concept as being tied to a paradox, and that it originated out of a 19th century desire to explain observed complexity. That is the extent of my grasp I am afraid. Dave

[Roy Corduroy]

Her use of Blood libel in reference to a shooting of a jewish congresswoman demonstrates she is an idiot even uncapable of a wiki search.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel

Her defense of it makes her a reprehensible jackass, no if ands or Sarahs.

Oh so this is all about the Arizona shooting then. I thought so. In that case, Sarah Palin is correct using the term blood libel to defend herself. Because she and her political party are being libelled with the blood of others.

The truth is, the Tuscon shooter is a pot smoking, George W Bush hating atheist. Sound like a tea party? I don't think so. He's a 9/11 Truther. Heck, you can't get any more far left radical than a 9/11 Truther. Unless you just want to go join Hizbollah.

Roy

[Ally]

No it's not all about the Arizona shooting. It's about the fact that Palin is a moronic, vapid, grasping, greedy dipshit with a legion of mentally defective rabid supporters who follow her for the same reason they watch the kardishians. Because they are too stupid to differentiate between reality and reality tv.

[Errata]

first of all, left and right no longer apply in their currently used form, so we may as well abandon the terms.

secondly,was Sarah Palin's use of the phrase "Blood Libel" technically OED correct? Yes. But as someone who deals with the public, a person has to be aware that certain words or phrases have certain connotations, meanings, or unpleasant histories that you have to respect. 50% of people who use the word "retarded" as a pejorative term use it correctly. They use it to mean slow, or developmentally delayed. That certainly didn't prevent Sarah Palin from blasting people (rightfully so) for using the word. No one uses Negro, or the bastardization of the French Negre (******) as a legitimate term to describe black people, despite the fact that both words simply mean "black". People respect the history, and don't use those words.

Is "Blood Libel" a phenomenon limited to Jews? No. Did Jews suffer far and away the most from it? I could argue yes. Did the phrase itself originate from persecution of Jews? Yes. It did. This specific phrase to describe this phenomenon is not used in any other context. I'm not even sure how one can become aware of the phrase without also knowing the history of the phrase. And to choose to use it anyway is grossly insensitive. Not just to American Jews, but to the Jews around the world who are still being evicted and killed because of this stupid piece of malicious gossip. It still happens. And this is far from the only time that neo-conservatives have done this to their own Jewish population.

But you know what? The plight of the Republican Conservatives in America is not comparable to the plight of the Jews throughout history. First of all, the right wing is not Jewish. I mean they just aren't. Very few Jews are even republican. much less right wing. Glen Beck and O'reilly are wrong. Obama is not a Nazi. Firstly, for the obvious reason that they wouldn't have him on a bet, and secondly he never joined the party. Even if you truly believed that he was a socialist (and you would be wrong) that STILL wouldn't make him a Nazi, since despite the name, Nazis werent really socialist as much as isolationist.

Sarah Palin is NOT a victim of Blood Libel. You know how you know? She hasn't been burned out of her home. She hasn't seen her family brutally murdered before being burned at the stake. Neither Alaska not the US has confiscated all of her property before throwing her out with nothing. Hundreds of thousands of conservatives have not gone missing with suspicious ditches appearing in the woods, and 10 million of them havent gone into oven and gas chambers.

I get that they feel persecuted, and I get that they feel abandoned and irrelevant. And I get that she feels unjustly accused in influencing a clearly desperately unstable man.

It's funny. Loughner shot Rep. Giffords because she didn't answer his question "What is government if words have no meaning?" And I know what he meant and why she didn't answer. It was a crazy question from an unhinged guy.

But maybe we should ask it again. What is government if words have no meaning? What is Sarah Palin if "Blood Libel" is just a literal definition to her? What does it mean if Glen Beck either really believes that the President is the equivalent of Hitler, or is willing to use one of the most appalling chapters in human history for political gain? What kind of society are we when hanging a woman in effigy is a cheap laugh? None of these things made Jared Loughner a killer. At most it helped him choose a target. But if we can't manage to be a little more respectful of others in our political discourse, then it's kind of hard to argue that Loughner was wrong. It just seems ironic that he shot the one politician everyone agreed was a genuinely caring person.

[Roy Corduroy]

Errata, that's an impressive, far reaching post you made. But it's irrelevant now, because Ally said:

No it's not all about the Arizona shooting.

Have a nice evening,

Roy

[Zodiac]

Oh Boy!!!

Heck, you can't get any more far left radical than a 9/11 Truther. Unless you just want to go join Hizbollah.

Roy

Hi Roy,

So let me get this straight. "Hizbollah" (sic.) is, according to you Roy, on the far left of the political spectrum??? WOW!!! It sure is a shame that nobody told them about this!!! "Hezbollah", as they are known in the real world, are an ultra-conservative, Islamofascist movement who are actually so deluded that they honestly believe that "Once upon a time" there was this guy called Abraham who "met" and "had knowledge of and conversation with" some kind of... err... delusion, oh sorry, I mean "Supreme Being" who went by the name of "YAHWEH", or Jehovah, or Allah, or, to his close personal friends "God". They seriously believe that their faith in this "God of Abraham" and his subsequent "Prophets" both guides and justifies their actions!!! Hey, I'll admit that its been awhile since I read up on my Marx and Engels, but I'm pretty damn sure that Hezbollah's brand of "Theistic" Islamofascism is about as far removed from "left wing" as it is possible to get!!! Heck, you can't get any more right wing and conservative than Hezbollah, literally, "The Party of God". Unless you happened to believe in such delusional "God" type nonsence yourselves!!!

The following extract may, or may not, prove instructive, either way, I cannot be held responsible for your ability, or lack thereof, to grasp the historical and polictical realities of the world we live in.

"In fact, the Islamic Republican forces did supervise Hezbollah. Hojjat al-Islam Hadi Ghaffari, "a young protegee of Khomeini," being in charge of them. Hezbollah was instrumental in the Islamic Cultural Revolution against SECULARISTS and MODERNISTS at Iran's universities.
After Friday prayers on 18 April 1980, Khomeini harshly attacked the universities. `We are not afraid of economic sanctions or military intervention. What we are afraid of is Western universities and the training of our youth in the interests of West or East.` His remarks served as a signal for an attack that evening on the Tehran Teachers Training College. One student was reportedly lynched, and according to a British correspondent, the campus was left looking like `a combat zone.` THE NEXT DAY, HEZBOLLAHIS RANSACKED LEFT-WING STUDENT OFFICES AT SHIRAZ UNIVERSITY. SOME 300 STUDENTS REQUIRED HOSPITAL TREATMENT. Attacks on student groups also took place at Mashad and Isfahan Universities"` Attacks continued April 21 and "the next day at the Universities at Ahwaz and Rasht. Over 20 people lost their lives in these university confrontations. ... The universities closed soon after the April confrontation for Islamization`. They were not to open for another two years."

Link to the full article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_of_Iran

Best wishes,
Zodiac.

[mariab]

I'm pretty damn sure that Hezbollah's brand of "Theistic" Islamofascism is about as far removed from "left wing" as it is possible to get!!! Heck, you can't get any more right wing and conservative than Hezbollah, literally, "The Party of God".

Zodiac, I wanted to make this point myself since yesterday, but then I thought, why the heck should I get entangled in such a discussion?
Apparently, (conservative) Americans frequently mix up “anti-Americanism“ with “left wing“.

[Errata]

Errata, that's an impressive, far reaching post you made. But it's irrelevant now, because Ally said:



Have a nice evening,

Roy

I'm sorry, did I miss the post where it was determined that I would speak for Ally and that Ally would speak for me? If you would like to give me that link, I would love to find out where else she gets to speak for me. Ally, in case I somehow lost all rights to my own opinion, I would ask you to bear in mind during lunch tomorrow that I am allergic to onions.

[jason_c]

Hi Roy,

So let me get this straight. "Hizbollah" (sic.) is, according to you Roy, on the far left of the political spectrum??? WOW!!! It sure is a shame that nobody told them about this!!! "Hezbollah", as they are known in the real world, are an ultra-conservative, Islamofascist movement who are actually so deluded that they honestly believe that "Once upon a time" there was this guy called Abraham who "met" and "had knowledge of and conversation with" some kind of... err... delusion, oh sorry, I mean "Supreme Being" who went by the name of "YAHWEH", or Jehovah, or Allah, or, to his close personal friends "God". They seriously believe that their faith in this "God of Abraham" and his subsequent "Prophets" both guides and justifies their actions!!! Hey, I'll admit that its been awhile since I read up on my Marx and Engels, but I'm pretty damn sure that Hezbollah's brand of "Theistic" Islamofascism is about as far removed from "left wing" as it is possible to get!!! Heck, you can't get any more right wing and conservative than Hezbollah, literally, "The Party of God". Unless you happened to believe in such delusional "God" type nonsence yourselves!!!

The following extract may, or may not, prove instructive, either way, I cannot be held responsible for your ability, or lack thereof, to grasp the historical and polictical realities of the world we live in.

"In fact, the Islamic Republican forces did supervise Hezbollah. Hojjat al-Islam Hadi Ghaffari, "a young protegee of Khomeini," being in charge of them. Hezbollah was instrumental in the Islamic Cultural Revolution against SECULARISTS and MODERNISTS at Iran's universities.
After Friday prayers on 18 April 1980, Khomeini harshly attacked the universities. `We are not afraid of economic sanctions or military intervention. What we are afraid of is Western universities and the training of our youth in the interests of West or East.` His remarks served as a signal for an attack that evening on the Tehran Teachers Training College. One student was reportedly lynched, and according to a British correspondent, the campus was left looking like `a combat zone.` THE NEXT DAY, HEZBOLLAHIS RANSACKED LEFT-WING STUDENT OFFICES AT SHIRAZ UNIVERSITY. SOME 300 STUDENTS REQUIRED HOSPITAL TREATMENT. Attacks on student groups also took place at Mashad and Isfahan Universities"` Attacks continued April 21 and "the next day at the Universities at Ahwaz and Rasht. Over 20 people lost their lives in these university confrontations. ... The universities closed soon after the April confrontation for Islamization`. They were not to open for another two years."

Link to the full article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_of_Iran

Best wishes,
Zodiac.

In the West, HEZBOLLAH (and its aims )have become a left wing cause celebre.

[jason_c]

"She was an elected public official. People spent their time, effort and money helping her get into office. She made a promise to the people she swore to represent. And when it was no longer fun, when she had a better opportunity to whore herself as a celebretart on reality tv, she quit. That's selfish to the point of being evil. When you make and break promises of that magnitude, what do you call it? No one forced her to run. Basic decency and honor required that she fulfill her term as governor."


Ally,
Do you claim the same about Barack Obama, John Kerry, John McCain etc? All of whom were elected representatives in the Senate. All went Presidential, Barack Obama's seat was then offered to the highest bidder by its Governor. Basic decency and honor required that they fulfill their terms as senator.

Do you believe John and Elizabeth Edwards are/were selfish to the point of being evil?

[Ally]

Do you claim the same about Barack Obama, John Kerry, John McCain etc? All of whom were elected representatives in the Senate. All went Presidential, Barack Obama's seat was then offered to the highest bidder by its Governor. Basic decency and honor required that they fulfill their terms as senator.

I knew you were going to walk into that one. You do realize that motives count, right? If you are an elected public official, sworn to serve the people of alaska, and you get the opportunity to run for a higher office, one can argue you will be able to serve your home state even better being the vice-president or president of the United States. You are not abandoning your responsibilities, you are increasing them. You are still fulfilling your oath to serve the people, you are just increasing the number of people that falls under.

Now of course, I actually believe that no one who is currently elected as anything should run for a different office, but that's my personal belief, and I recognize political realities that would prevent that from happening.

She did not quit being the governor to become vice-president. She LOST. Then she went back to BFE Alaska, realized that if she spent the next 2 years there serving out her term as she should have done, and as every other candidate who LOST did in fact do, she would fade into political obscurity and lose her chance to cash in on her recent fame, and the money making opportunities it presented. So she quit. Packed her bags and chased fame and money rather than buckling down and fulfilling her term as governor.

You want to compare her to McCain or Kerry? They lost and went back and fulfilled their obligations. Those people apparently understood what serving entailed. In other words, they fulfilled their responsibilities. They didn't chuck it to play the leading role on Real Housewives of Alaska.

Do you believe John and Elizabeth Edwards are/were selfish to the point of being evil?

I am sorry what office did Elizabeth Edwards hold again? Or are you just throwing in an another red herring. As for John, any guy who cheats on his cancer stricken wife is a selfish douche to the point of being evil yes. If we are talking about politics purely he didn't chuck his responsibilities. He lost, went back and fulfilled his senate term and then ....he chose not to run again. He fulfilled his term, then decided not to run again. He did not go, aw man this crap is too boring and I want to be on Fox News nightly so screw it, I quit.

I realize you guys who are blinded by the glitter of the celebretart don't like those pesky facts to confuse your dogged belief, but there is a basic difference between her, and others. She is a fame whore. Period. And while I believe most politicians are fame whores, they at least have enough intelligence and ability to look outside their own selfish motives to realize that certain things you just don't do. She can't pull her head out of her own selfish butt to realize that much.

[Ally]

first of all, left and right no longer apply in their currently used form, so we may as well abandon the terms.

I agree with this actually. If Republicans would give up their god squad crusade and quit hinging the party on tenets of Christian moral superiority, I'd probably be a republican. I believe in small government, but I also believe it's the role of government to step in and protect its people from abuses. I consider myself fairly in the middle of politics, however you define them, but Politics have become a religious crusade in America and it's really starting to piss on my freedom.

But as someone who deals with the public, a person has to be aware that certain words or phrases have certain connotations, meanings, or unpleasant histories that you have to respect. 50% of people who use the word "retarded" as a pejorative term use it correctly. They use it to mean slow, or developmentally delayed. That certainly didn't prevent Sarah Palin from blasting people (rightfully so) for using the word.

I disagree with this: rightfully so. I disagree because I am frankly tired of people co-opting words for their own agenda, and then deciding no one else can use them as they were meant. Blood libel originated as a term regarding Jews so they get to keep it and be offended if it is misused by some shrieking drama queen trying to inflate her sense of persecution. Retarded was a word in use long before "they" decided to apply it as the official designation for mentally handicapped children and I am going to keep using it. They don't use imbecile any more to refer to those people with mental deficiencies, which they used to do as well, but no one shrieks their nut off every time someone uses the word imbecile now. They aren't even calling the mentally handicapped retarded now, but you still can't use the word! Now they are calling them "challenged" and of course the kids are already using "challenged" as a pejorative for the mentally slow, so pretty soon they are going to have to call the challenged people something else! I will continue to use the word retard as its definition and origin intended. As you said, words do have meaning, and you don't get to change or define a word against its origin and then decide no one else can use it.

No one uses Negro, or the bastardization of the French Negre (******) as a legitimate term to describe black people, despite the fact that both words simply mean "black". People respect the history, and don't use those words.

No now we are calling them the retarded "African American" over here, which is pure stupidity because most of the black people I know are neither African nor American.


As for my being in sole charge of your opinion, didn't you know? On Casebook I control all, I rule all, I decide all. Thou shall hast no opinion not sanctioned by me. So sayeth the book of Ally.

"I'm the Decider." <---back to political right wing nuttery.

And I am making chili for lunch today. Chock full of tasty onions.

[jason_c]

"I am sorry what office did Elizabeth Edwards hold again? Or are you just throwing in an another red herring. As for John, any guy who cheats on his cancer stricken wife is a selfish douche to the point of being evil yes. If we are talking about politics purely he didn't chuck his responsibilities. He lost, went back and fulfilled his senate term and then ....he chose not to run again. He fulfilled his term, then decided not to run again. He did not go, aw man this crap is too boring and I want to be on Fox News nightly so screw it, I quit."


This same John Edwards was running for President. He had thousands of volunteers working hour after hour for him. Many people gave him their hard money. All the time he was playing away from home and had an illegitimate child. Elizabeth Edwards, an important cog in his election wheel, likely knew of this. Politically does this make them an evil pair? Or is Edwards simply morally evil for cheating on his wife?


"I am sorry what office did Elizabeth Edwards hold again?"

Using this logic its impossible to politically judge Karl Rove, Alistair Campbell or Dick Morris.