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  • I've just looked up Duel and it appears to me that Oliver Stone might have been inspired by this movie in his U-turn (in a parodying manner).

    Robert wrote:
    I believe that in the great white shark world, it's the females that are the really big ones.

    I've heard of this too, but I'm not sure if it's a fact. I'm more informed about their feeding habits and MO of attack. I was surfing in South Africa in July (after a conference and teaching at the University of Stellenbosch), and among else I surfed at a spot (The Point in J-Bay) where an attack by a great white happened in 2007 where the 17 year old surfer didn't get but scratches and a torn wetsuit (and a munched board). I avoided surfing Muisenberg by Cape Town (which is South Africas San Onof', that is, a mellow longboarding wave for the entire family, from grandpa to todlers) where in the last 5 years 8 attacks have occurred, 3 fatal, and where the Shark Patrol registers approximately 17 great white sightings per day (I've checked their statistics online). Since recently the Western Cape area has become the great white attack capital of the world, undoubtedfully due to rampant cage diving for the tourists. Normally great whites are very shy creatures and only attack humans by accident (spitting it out afterwards), but the intense cage diving business in Cape Town (which is accompanied by throwing bloody fish parts and blood into the ocean, to attract the sharks for sighting) clearly has been educating great whites to get interested in humans. In 2004 in Muisenberg a great white ate up (as in: consuming) an old lady, and in January 2010 at the exact same spot (the same?) great white attacked a tourist from Kenya three times, before also consuming him. This is completely atypical and territorial great white behaviour. 10 years ago it was completely unheard of.
    My South African ex has 3 friends missing half a leg (who were divers and ocean fishers, not just surfers).
    Like every surfer, I never miss a shark flick. Has anybody seen Big blue sea?
    Best regards,
    Maria

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    • Deep Blue Sea?
      I confess that altruistic and cynically selfish talk seem to me about equally unreal. With all humility, I think 'whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might,' infinitely more important than the vain attempt to love one's neighbour as one's self. If you want to hit a bird on the wing you must have all your will in focus, you must not be thinking about yourself, and equally, you must not be thinking about your neighbour; you must be living with your eye on that bird. Every achievement is a bird on the wing.
      Oliver Wendell Holmes

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      • Yes, Deep blue sea. (I'm quite a bit tired. )
        Best regards,
        Maria

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        • Yes, I had hoped that Samuel Jackson would live a tad bit longer, but oh well.
          I confess that altruistic and cynically selfish talk seem to me about equally unreal. With all humility, I think 'whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might,' infinitely more important than the vain attempt to love one's neighbour as one's self. If you want to hit a bird on the wing you must have all your will in focus, you must not be thinking about yourself, and equally, you must not be thinking about your neighbour; you must be living with your eye on that bird. Every achievement is a bird on the wing.
          Oliver Wendell Holmes

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          • I thought that Samuel Jackson's unexpected death was a clever manipulation of the audience. Did you notice the scene with the scientist chick electrocuting the shark (in her underwear, of course) quoting Jaws 2? I kinda liked Thomas Jane in the movie. Also, the scene with Stellan Skarsg°ard and his arm and botched rescue was interesting...
            Best regards,
            Maria

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            • Pontius 2000 wrote:
              Choosing not to show the shark was not really Speilberg's idea. the mechanical shark didn't work half the time so he basically said, "we'll just go most of the movie without showing it."

              Wow, serendipitous genius then...
              Best regards,
              Maria

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              • I missed that, I had lost interest after the Jackson munch, waiting for LL Cool J to bite it next.
                I confess that altruistic and cynically selfish talk seem to me about equally unreal. With all humility, I think 'whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might,' infinitely more important than the vain attempt to love one's neighbour as one's self. If you want to hit a bird on the wing you must have all your will in focus, you must not be thinking about yourself, and equally, you must not be thinking about your neighbour; you must be living with your eye on that bird. Every achievement is a bird on the wing.
                Oliver Wendell Holmes

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                • Yeah, in Scream they comment on it, that the black guy has to always go first. Actually I was sure that LL Cool J would make it after he survived the scene in the kitchen. I was totally betting that he and Thomas Jane would make it.
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                  Maria

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                  • [QUOTE=mariab;158080]Derrick wrote:
                    But the scene where Shaw and Dreyfus are swapping scars is brilliant. Scheider takes a sneak at his appendix scar and then decides not to intervene. Priceless.

                    It's Shaw and Scheider swapping scars, and Dreyfus pointing to his heart, and when the 2 others inquire, he says “Loretta. Broke my heart.“

                    I hate to nit-pick, but can we please get clear on who says and does what in "Jaws"? I love the movie too much not to speak up, and the bit with the scar comparison leading into Shaw's Indianapolis speech is my favorite scene. It is Shaw and Dreyfuss comparing scars and injuries- most of Shaw's are from fights and such, and all of Dreyfuss' are from undersea creatures. Scheider briefly glances at his appindectomy scar but opts out of the exchange. When Dreyfuss then makes the broken heart joke while pointing to his chest, the name he gives is Mary Ellen Moffet, not "Loretta."
                    Scheider then notices another scar on Shaw's arm which Shaw says was a tattoo he had removed that said "USS Indianapolis," which leads to his speech.

                    There. Heavy sigh.

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                    • Oh, yes. Sorry about the “Loretta“ bit, Kensei. I used to have Jaws on tape but I gave it to someone. I haven't seen it in maybe...4 years?
                      Last edited by mariab; 12-14-2010, 10:16 AM.
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                      Maria

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                      • No problem, Mariab. I have three copies of "Jaws" in my collection- a VHS dub from many years back, the 25th anniversary VHS, and the DVD. What's annoying on the two newer versions is that they have "updated" some of the sound effects, and the original "SPANG!" bullet riccochet sound half a second before the scuba tank explodes and kills the shark is gone. Why fix something that isn't broken?

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                        • I hate it when they “update“ (instead of restauring) old classics.
                          What's even more ridiculous in Jaws 4 (with Michael Kaine) is that they make the shark walk on his tail (like a dolphin!) and growl.
                          Best regards,
                          Maria

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                          • Well, even in the original there was one instant where the shark rises out of the water and makes this very breathy roar for just a second before Shaw fires a harpoon into its "throat" area, and sharks just do not vocalize in real life. But you're right- Jaws 4 was pretty much a catastrophe.

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                            • Yeah, I remember that scene when he kinda groans! Jaws 4 I've only seen in bits and pieces, from TV reruns, but I'd like to see it once from start to finish, even if it's stupid. The helicopter scene from Jaws 4 was referenced in Deep blue sea. I thought Jaws 2 was really lame, but the first half of Jaws 3, when the marine biologists try to save the little shark and stuff, is cool.
                              Best regards,
                              Maria

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                              • What I can say about Jaws is the movie was better than the book. That doesn't mean much really. I did like when the two drunks were singing, "Show me the way to go home." The acting was good and I especially liked Shaw as stereotypical as he was.

                                Mike
                                huh?

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