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  • #31
    Quote Chris:
    If I see a man wearing a kilt, I don't think "that man is identifying himself first and foremost as a Scotsman." I think "Oh, there's a man in a kilt.
    C.D. wrote:
    But if a radical group of Scots men, who wore kilts, had been blowing up things and killing alot of people over the past 10 years would you think
    "oh, theres a man in a kilt." or would you think "Uh-oh, there's a man in a kilt." Be honest.

    Post 9/11 I think that it doesn't hurt to be aware of anyone behaving strangely on a plane and to not hesitate to take action during an eventual highjacking. I took a flight from Paris to Berlin on September 13, 2001, and I was still quite a bit in shock, as most of the other passengers. An old Arab couple were supposed to sit beside me during the flight, and I saw them exchange a short talk and take another seat, out of discretion. I thought that was most decent of them. They must have thought I was American by the way I was dressed and reading the N.Y. Times with tears in my eyes. On that particular day I TRULY did not feel keen on taking a sit next to Arabs on a plane, the image of Palestinians ululating in triumph while the second tower collapsed still too vivid on my mind. Today I wouldn't mind at all taking a seat next to any kind of citizen of the world on a plane, although I must confess I prefer getting all 2/3 seats to myself (when flying alone).

    Johns wrote:
    You peer up the road and see a group of people hanging around on each road.
    Road A has a group of sweet looking elderly ladies, chatting, drinking tea and exchanging knitting patterns.
    Road B however has a group of youths doing what some youths do... pushing each other around, texting constantly, swearing their heads off and so on...
    Which road do you take?

    I would definitely take road B, in the possibility of a sexed-up exchange with the teenies, which is always cute. Some people might not quite believe this, but I completely agree with Kate Bradshaw about the reality of very evident aggression generating from elderly ladies to the younger generations. Particularly in Berlin, this is a real plague. I've had SO enough of old ladies keep yaking about “how horrible youth is today“ and “how wonderful everything was before we lost the war“, each time I helped when they (invariably) dropped their groceries in the middle of the street, that nowadays I let them deal with their minor accidents by themselves. This is typical behaviour for a specific, very old (80-90) generation of uneducated women in Berlin. I've noticed that educated/artistic old women are very chatty too, but they tend to complain less, and to focus on their love-life experiences instead... I've also noticed that French old ladies are even less focused on complaining, and more keen to talk about their past escapades, which can be truly educational. Might it be that the hippies got it right?
    Best regards,
    Maria

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Roy Corduroy View Post
      N P R comes through for the holidays. Their reporter Nina Totenberg said "I was at a - forgive the expression - Christmas party."

      check out the TV clip. (click)

      Roy
      Hi Roy
      I can't click on links-long story. Did she really say that?

      was she on air reporting something-whats the context?

      Thanks!
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • #33
        In Engand, contrary to what the Right Wing press will try and tell you, we still refer to this time of Year as Christmas, not 'The Holidays'. In areas that have large communities of non Christians such as Birmingham or Bradford they usually make an effort for other festivals too, I enjoyed the Eid celebrations in Manchester when I lived there. I hope that this will continue!
        In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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        • #34
          Well, in the States it's established as a pc approach to mention Xmas/Hanukkah/Kwaanza all together in one single breath nowadays.
          Best regards,
          Maria

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          • #35
            You would be hard pressed to mention Eid in the same breath it was earlier in the year as was Diwali

            Merry Christmas

            and if you aren't Christian, Merry Xmas anyway and have a good day off !
            “be just and fear not”

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            • #36
              Originally posted by mariab
              Well, in the States it's established as a pc approach to mention Xmas/Hanukkah/Kwaanza all together in one single breath nowadays.
              That is completely untrue. I doubt half of Americans know what Kwaanza is or cares, and only Jews say Hanukkah. The overwhelming majority says Merry Christmas, and if someone is wanting to be politically correct, they say Happy Holidays.

              Yours truly,

              Tom Wescott

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              • #37
                Merry Christmas, Jennifer.
                (Isn't this off by 2 days, though? I'm SO tempted to take the evening off, and I have this pain in the butt proposal to prepare, which I was hoping to manage taking care of before Xmas Eve...)
                Best regards,
                Maria

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                • #38
                  Originally Posted by mariab
                  Well, in the States it's established as a pc approach to mention Xmas/Hanukkah/Kwaanza all together in one single breath nowadays.
                  Tom Wescott wrote:
                  That is completely untrue. I doubt half of Americans know what Kwaanza is or cares, and only Jews say Hanukkah. The overwhelming majority says Merry Christmas, and if someone is wanting to be politically correct, they say Happy Holidays.

                  Completely agree with you, Tom, and I was making fun of this pc approach. This is a practice mostly done by the media (also in sitcoms!!) and shops. From all my black friends/acquaintancies in Chicago, I've still never met anyone who celebrates Kwaanza instead of Xmas.
                  Best regards,
                  Maria

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                  • #39
                    If everyone would just convert to Christianity, we could end this ugly PC debate once and for all.

                    Yours truly,

                    Tom Wescott

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                    • #40
                      Wow, the “happy holidays“ line is for pc usage?! I thought it's to say when it's still too early for Xmas, or between Xmas and New Year's. I'm sooo naive, and normally don't care too much for pc.
                      OK, here's a poll. How many of you say “black“ vs. “African American“? I most definitely say “black“ and write “black“ too (also in texts for publication), unless when the historical context pertains to the term “African American“. The only context in which I'll religiously stick to “African American“ is when writing something referring to University policies – as the dean would have a problem otherwise.
                      I wonder where these practices will be 30 years from now...
                      Best regards,
                      Maria

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                      • #41
                        Well being British I wouldn't say 'African American' anyway but I say Black. Thats what was agreed by the CRE as the correct term in the UK. Sometimes, if I know more about a persons background I might saw Afro-Carribean but mostly just Black.
                        In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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                        • #42
                          Tom Wescott wrote:
                          If everyone would just convert to Christianity, we could end this ugly PC debate once and for all.

                          You should consider applying as a candidate for the Nobel Peace price. But we'd still have the racial, socio-economic, and gender (yawn) issues to deal with.
                          OK, confession time: I'm a complete and utter atheist since the age of 3, but I love celebrating Xmas. The carols, the music, the atmosphere, the food, the oecumenical message of peace, yada yada yada. There's an established tradition among some of my friends that we gather for a 2 day feast/sleepover where we also, some of us being musicologists/singers/musicians, perform Haendel's Messiah, at least the first third of it, which refers to Xmas. One of my American (gay) friends is a counter-tenor, and despite being an atheist too, he performs the Haendel arias so emotionally and convincingly, that I've witnessed people (atheists too, as most Europeans) spotting tears in their eyes at his concerts. Until my mid twenties I was a singer too, and one of my (minor) dilemmas was how to convene religious faith in all these beautiful arias from masses/Requiems, etc., when I've never experienced religious faith. Early on I came up with the idea to perform this as an extremely inspired, “transcendental“ love song. And it works!
                          There are 2 arias for my voice in Messiah, “Rejoice“ (which is technical but much easier to perform than it sounds, plus a bit trivial) and “I know that my Redeemer liveth“, which is actually meant for Easter, but everybody wants to hear it at the party, and it happens to be one of my favorite pieces of 18th century music, so we're game to include it. It's a very, very “weighty“ and poignant piece, and it requires a mature singer. I have no clue where I'm channeling the “religious“ stuff when I sing it, but somehow it's there. It probably helps that the aria goes very explicitly about death and the humans' fear of it and “worms destroying his body“, so it resonates to me on a personal level.
                          OK, gonna shut up about this now, but are there any other Messiah fans on casebook?
                          Best regards,
                          Maria

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by mariab
                            Tom Wescott wrote:
                            If everyone would just convert to Christianity, we could end this ugly PC debate once and for all.
                            You should consider applying as a candidate for the Nobel Peace price. But we'd still have the racial, socio-economic, and gender (yawn) issues to deal with.
                            Again readily resolved if everyone would just be white, and if there were more women and less men.

                            Originally posted by mariab
                            (atheists too, as most Europeans)
                            Most Europeans are atheists?

                            Yours truly,

                            Tom Wescott

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                            • #44
                              I would have thought that there would be more who would count themselves as agnostic before athiest. Even though I attend church rarely for the sake of the census I am always down as Christian.
                              In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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                              • #45
                                Tom Wescott wrote:
                                Again readily resolved if everyone would just be white, and if there were more women and less men.

                                I say, this approach carries potential for the Nobel Peace price. (Although there already have been people who've came up with the same idea, Tom. Wonder why it invariably ended up with a genocide...)

                                Tom Wescott wrote:
                                Most Europeans are atheists?

                                Most Europeans (apart from the Italian and the Spaniards) are agnostics or atheists. In fact, Europe is extremely secular and not preoccupied by religion or religious debate. In fact, I hardly know any people who believe in God among my colleagues and acquaintancies. 2 weeks ago I was invited at a conference about social history of opera at the (prestigious and very rich) Catholic Academy in Schwerte (in West Germany), and among the participants only 2 were Christians, one Catholic and one Protestant. There is a strong tradition of German Catholicism, mostly generating from the Bonn area, but they're mainly involved in politics, in the CDU and CSU party, NOT in academics. France is even more secular.
                                Best regards,
                                Maria

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