Leslie Van Houten should be released on parole

[Ally]

The idea that manson was some god-like guru who ensnared and entrapped all who came in contact with him is false.

Far more people left that compound than stayed. He exerted influence only on those who CHOSE to grant him that influence.

And choosing to stop a car is not on the same caliber of obedience as what she refused to do. She had enough control of herself to REFUSE him when ordered to directly kill someone. So, so much for his must be obeyed persona.

The only people who obeyed him were the ones who chose to do it.

[DVV]

Anyone else notice that when DVV has no logical or rational response to the points brought up, he posts something completely irrelevant in an attempt to distract from his own inability to argue what has been said?

That's also funny.

I don't have to respond about Manson's guilt, since it has been proven that nobody's more guilty than him.
It's so obvious and well-known.

[DVV]

The idea that manson was some god-like guru who ensnared and entrapped all who came in contact with him is false.

Far more people left that compound than stayed. He exerted influence only on those who CHOSE to grant him that influence.

And choosing to stop a car is not on the same caliber of obedience as what she refused to do. She had enough control of herself to REFUSE him when ordered to directly kill someone. So, so much for his must be obeyed persona.

The only people who obeyed him were the ones who chose to do it.

Waow.
What happens ?
Agreed all round this time.

[doris]

Can of of Miss Van Houtens professed remorse bring Rosemary La Bianca back to life.

No.

There is no parole from death.


Let her rot.

Obviously no level of remorse can breathe life back into the dead. Why would you point that out?

Yes, there is no parole from death. Again that is obvious.

Let her rot.

You see, that is my problem with your sort.

I don't believe anyone should be left to 'rot', they should have their incarcaration objectively reviewed from time to time.

Is she a threat to society?
That should be the matter which interested parties consider.

I read this page-

http://truthontatelabianca.com/topic/3253-leslie-vanhouten-parole-hearing-dec-28-1993/

And it mentioned that the parole people had considered what the public think. Why?
WHat do the public know about the complex matter of awarding parole to infamous prisoners? Nothing other than what their knee-jerk reactions tell them.

doris

[Ally]

No it is not obvious and well known. You are a hypocrite. People in today's age do not excuse grown adults from their actions because someone else told them to do something. Peer pressure isn't an excuse for murder.

You are a hypocrite. You deny Van Houtens responsibility in mass murder and accuse Manson who killed NO ONE.

This is obvious and well known. Manson killed no one. Not a single person died by his hand. If you absolve Van Houten, you must absolve Manson.

[belinda]

It's becoming strange.
Nobody is saying Leslie is innocent.
But it has been proven beyond doubt that Manson masterminded the murders.

Amitiés,
David

He didn't mastermind anything. The first night he didn't even know they'd gone. Telling people repeatedly to "go and kill pigs" isn't masterminding a murder. He told plenty of people to kill but they didn't go and do it. Manson is only guilty of being too stupid to realise how dangerous some of the people around him were.

[DVV]

Ha ha!

Leslie didn't stab Leno but is her murderer. (I agree)

Manson selected the LaBiancas residence, tied them both then sent his butchers, but he is...what ??

I'm far less hypocrite than you are stupid.

[belinda]

This is obvious and well known. Manson killed no one. Not a single person died by his hand. If you absolve Van Houten, you must absolve Manson.

Exactly.

[DVV]

He didn't mastermind anything. The first night he didn't even know they'd gone.

Sigh...

What have you read ?

[Ally]

Let her rot.

You see, that is my problem with your sort.

I don't believe anyone should be left to 'rot', they should have their incarcaration objectively reviewed from time to time.

Is she a threat to society?
That should be the matter which interested parties consider.

No that is not the matter that should be considered. The matter to be considered is, does she DESERVE to be in society. When you have chosen to remove someone else from society, because you are a murdering bitch, you lose your right to live in society. Period.

It is not about threat. It is about rights and worth. She took away a person's right to life. By that action, her own right to life is forfeit. She no longer deserves the life she denied to another.

[belinda]

Sigh...

What have you read ?

What have you read?

I consider van Houten a threat no matter how remorsefull she claims to be. That does not mean she will not kill again.

And what about her prior history of violence?

[Ally]

Ha ha!

Leslie didn't stab Leno but is her murderer. (I agree)

Manson selected the LaBiancas residence, tied them both then sent his butchers, but he is...what ??

I'm far less hypocrite than you are stupid.

No you are both a hypocrite and stupid. Manson killed NO one. No one had to go in there and kill the LaBiancas. Manson didn't even go to the Tates. He wasn't there either.

So how can he possibly be responsible for murders that occurred when he wasn't in the vicinity. Once again, you are accusing Manson of crimes you absolve Van Houten of, and he was FAR less involved than she was. He stabbed NO ONE. She did. He wasn't at the Tate residence. Neither was she. If she's absolved, he is more so, because he never stabbed a single person and she willfully plunged a knife into a helpless woman 16 times.

[DVV]

Very well.
But that wasn't the point.

If you still think Manson didn't know that Tex and co went to kill on August 9, then I have to ask you again: what have you read ?

Amitiés,
David

[belinda]

I ask you again What have you read?

[DVV]

Ally, I do not absolve anyone.

Even if Leslie is paroled, she will still be guilty.

And at least, I'm not stupid enough to absolve Charlie.