World Reacts to Trump's "****hole Countries" Remark

[caz]

Illegal aliens are criminals the moment they set foot in a country without going through the proper channels that all the rest of us do. Their first act in the country is a criminal one.

Agreed. But if the powers that be fail to identify and deal with such people in accordance with the laws of whichever land they managed to enter illegally in the first place, some of them may take further illegal advantage of the weaknesses in the system. There will always be a percentage of wronguns in any group of people.

Someone jumps the queue in front of me I speak out, I don't sit cowering worried about whether I should "check my privilege".

Good for you, DD. But if the system worked, the illegal queue jumpers would either be stopped and turned around at the point of entry, or be kicked out before you had to speak out.

Love,

Caz
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[Svensson]

latest Quinniac Poll, question 2:

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his job as president?

(Amongst Blacks)

Strongly approve 6%
Somewhat approve 3%
somewhat disapprove 15%
strongly disapprove 69%

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2561

Yes, this is a poll asking for a subjective measure but if Trump is supposedly rooting for African Americans, then they don't seem to think that this is the case.

[Svensson]

I hope given the interview with the Sailsburry suspects the idea that Russia could have any serious impact on a US election is fantasy land stuff.

We clearly are not dealing with a soviet era KGB or GRU.


Black unemployment at historic lows.....the thing is the people who are pleased about this the most (other than the person who now has a job) are the people the non-deplorables label white supremisists.

8 years Obama had to enact a growth policy....he offered nothing but food stamps.

The joke in the 90's was that Bill Clinton was the first "black president"...even though he put record number in jail and on the dole queue.

There can be little doubt which of the last 4 presidents are really rooting for African Americans and that's why they are leaving the Democratic Party plantation in droves.

With a little help from Candace Owens, who I wish was not so hot so I could say I only like her for the way she thinks.

There is so much to unpack here that is basically on various degrees of "incorrectness", so I'll just make a couple of points on each this flurry of statements while at the same time not expecting anything useful to come from it or to revisit it (Seeing that the "Is Donald Trump a racist" discussion is going the way of a "Are smurfs blue" debate):


"I hope given the interview with the Sailsbury suspects the idea that Russia could have any serious impact on a US election is fantasy land stuff."

=> I think it does. The Russians thought they could come over to the UK and pop someone they don't like with complete disregard for consequences. The brazenness is what is so astonishing here (just like the brazenness in the US Election campaign where they simply replicated on a bigger scale what they had done earlier in other countries).

Also, the Interview was not intended for the Western intelligence services, it was for the useful western idiot who watches RT. there are enough people out there who will buy this because after all, in a western democracy, much is a PR issue. This is the same way that FoxNews operates. Whether it is a Russian Spy or a Trump family member, they all run to their chosen TV station for a cuddle and one soft-ball interview after another.


"We clearly are not dealing with a soviet era KGB or GRU."

=> Clearly not because they methods have changed. It is now information warfare and for that, they chosen battlefield is the internet. It's so much more effective as we are seeing now.


"8 years Obama had to enact a growth policy....he offered nothing but food stamps."

=> The facts would suggest the longest sustained recovery since 2011 immediately after the worst financial crisis in history in 2008 (although this may depend on exactly HOW you measure the crisis). He also more than halved the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.5%, so trump's "historic" economy is riding on the coat-tails of Obama's sustained recovery.


"The joke in the 90's was that Bill Clinton was the first "black president"...even though he put record number in jail and on the dole queue."

=> the US prison population REALLY started to increase from the mid-80's onwards and if you look at various graphs at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarc..._United_States, you will notice that Clinton was merely continuing a trend that was started under Reagan. It also seems that if you are looking at sheer numbers, Clinton had the "misfortune" to be a two-termer than a Bush Snr. who was a one-termer. So it seems to me that the source for this is in the Reagan years. You could of course say "why didn't Clinton do anything about this? and the answer is I don;t know and I certainly don't have the time to start investigating the effects of US Criminal law in the 80's and 90's. If you are interested, I'm sure there are plenty of forums dedicated to this.

Regarding the Dole queue, US unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Clinton. I don;t see how, despite this, he would have been able to put record numbers of African American on the Dole queue as a percentage of the population.


"There can be little doubt which of the last 4 presidents are really rooting for African Americans and that's why they are leaving the Democratic Party plantation in droves."

=> there appears to be no evidence that African Americans are leaving the Democratic Party "in droves". http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/...groups/2_3-14/ would suggest that their support for the Dems holds around 80 and did so for a long time.


Candace Owens? ok, that explains a lot. My favourite quote of hers is actually: "I became a conservative overnight ... I realized that liberals were actually the racists. Liberals were actually the trolls."

"Became a conservative overnight?" Yeah, right. I suspect that someone from Fox said "Hey, we would like to pay a million bucks to a black person to bash other black people. It fits rather well with our whole vibe. Interested..?"

[Sam Flynn]

you're already working on the incorrect premise that this was a "turn around".

I wasn't making any claim as to its veracity, which is why I prefaced my comment with "assuming this to be true".

[Svensson]

Assuming that to be true, can this really be down to Trump? How long does it take a government to turn around an economy as large as that of the USA?

you're already working on the incorrect premise that this was a "turn around". A Turn around would mean that the economic indicators were pointing one way, and after some kind of event (i.e. policy change coming into effect), the economic indicators were pointing in a different direction.

This did not happen here.

[Limehouse]

Rather a good fugue here:

https://youtu.be/RZxCAqCUgug

Definitely one for 'Last Night of the Proms' next year!

[Karl]

Rather a good fugue here:

https://youtu.be/RZxCAqCUgug

That was amazing.

[Sam Flynn]

Rather a good fugue here:

https://youtu.be/RZxCAqCUgug

[Sam Flynn]

Black unemployment at historic lows...

Assuming that to be true, can this really be down to Trump? How long does it take a government to turn around an economy as large as that of the USA?

[DirectorDave]

I hope given the interview with the Sailsburry suspects the idea that Russia could have any serious impact on a US election is fantasy land stuff.

We clearly are not dealing with a soviet era KGB or GRU.


Black unemployment at historic lows.....the thing is the people who are pleased about this the most (other than the person who now has a job) are the people the non-deplorables label white supremisists.

8 years Obama had to enact a growth policy....he offered nothing but food stamps.

The joke in the 90's was that Bill Clinton was the first "black president"...even though he put record number in jail and on the dole queue.

There can be little doubt which of the last 4 presidents are really rooting for African Americans and that's why they are leaving the Democratic Party plantation in droves.

With a little help from Candace Owens, who I wish was not so hot so I could say I only like her for the way she thinks.

[Karl]

Karl when you are ready to talk politics or even policy get back to me, but that nonsense you just wrote seems like once again to focus on process rather than delivery...that is a real problem with leftist think.

We weren't discussing politics - we were discussing how Trump demonises Mexican illegals. But you keep trying to excuse him with your semantic games.

"Rightest" think? yes they very often ignore process for results....but it is not the right who are batshit crazy at the moment.

Judging by the incumbent, and the ardent defences of him here in face of all logic, I would argue to the contrary.


This is the same converstion I have with every non-deplorable.

The opener....

He's racist he's sexist he's homophobic.

I never said any of those things, though I can certainly say now that he is sexist and racist. He is not, however, homophobic, as demonstrated by his very liberal statements in gays' defence in his first run for president.

He said Mexicans are rapists.

Well, he did.

He called a Mexican Judge Mexican.

No, he called a Mexican judge biased because he was Mexican.

Once that guff is out the way I then have to trudge through the guff of ***** grabbing and when all else fails there is always....

If it weren't for people like you trying to make excuses that don't even half stick, maybe you'd have a point. Or maybe, in that case, even you would realise what a public relations disaster he is.

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Funny. Almost as funny as how obsessed Trump is about that. To the point that this was the first thing on his mind on the 9/11 anniversary this year.

[Karl]

I was not being metaphorical with "sending" I was quoting Trump directly from his golden elevator speech.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best (he looks up and points to people watching) they are not sending you or you."

"Theives" was not metaphorical, they are using resources meant for US tax payers, legal immigrants and asylum seekers.

Except when illegals find work in the US, they pay taxes, too. In sum, they probably give more than they take.

[DirectorDave]

Karl when you are ready to talk politics or even policy get back to me, but that nonsense you just wrote seems like once again to focus on process rather than delivery...that is a real problem with leftist think.

"Rightest" think? yes they very often ignore process for results....but it is not the right who are batshit crazy at the moment.


This is the same converstion I have with every non-deplorable.


The opener....

He's racist he's sexist he's homophobic.

He said Mexicans are rapists.

He called a Mexican Judge Mexican.


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[DirectorDave]

"Sending"? Isn't it the case that economic migrants, whether legal or otherwise, tend to leave their native country on their own initiative?

Or were you being metaphorical, in the same way that you categorised illegal immigrants as "thieves" of people's rights and resources?

I was not being metaphorical with "sending" I was quoting Trump directly from his golden elevator speech.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best (he looks up and points to people watching) they are not sending you or you."

"Theives" was not metaphorical, they are using resources meant for US tax payers, legal immigrants and asylum seekers.

[Karl]

I don't require it to help my case, you are the one requiring it because if you can't accept that then we have no discussion.

This doesn't even begin to make sense. If the words you utter do not support your argument, even by your own admission here, why utter them at all? Here's how discussion works:

I present my arguments, and I require my arguments to help my case.
You then present your arguments, and you require your arguments to help your case. If your arguments do not help your case, then you have no case. That's why you require your arguments to help. I do not require anything of your arguments, why would I?

Which they are, they are theifs too stealing resources of American people and legal immigrants who went through the correct process.

Which is irrelevant in this discussion.

Well they are not sending thier finest that's for sure.

They're not sending anyone. Illegals move on their own accord, in no small part due to the illegal weapon trafficking from the US, which bolsters crime. Be that as it may, the illegals who come over are normal people, who may well be among the finest. What, do you think they sneak across the border because they want to live a life of crime in the US? No, just the opposite: they want to escape crime. The primary motivation is, of course, an escape from poverty. But if someone has decided to pursue crime, there is no reason to leave Mexico for it. Some turn to crime in the US, but in most of these cases it isn't something they planned. But poverty and prejudice cause frustration, and some people will be pushed over the edge.

Replace "practically all" with "many" and I think we can have a consensus.

But that isn't what you mean, is it? You do mean practically all, or you would have countered what I said with something other than "Well they are not sending thier finest that's for sure". Because what that is, is a tacit admission. Here, try this one on for size:

A: "So you're suggesting that Jews are evil?"
B: "Well, they're not the good guys, that's for sure."

What does the above say of B's position? If A were incorrect, B would have contradicted A, surely? Instead, B attempted a half-hearted justification of his position instead. Just like you did.

And when you say "many", we both know you mean "most", or "practically all". I'll prove it: rate the below statements in terms of strongly agree, agree, undecided, disagree or strongly disagree:

1. Almost all illegal immigrants are good people who, aside from their illegal status, are just as law-abiding as anyone else.
2. Most illegal immigrants are good people who, aside from their illegal status, are just as law-abiding as anyone else.
3. Many illegal immigrants are good people who, aside from their illegal status, are just as law-abiding as anyone else.
4. Some illegal immigrants are good people who, aside from their illegal status, are just as law-abiding as anyone else.
5. A few illegal immigrants are good people who, aside from their illegal status, are just as law-abiding as anyone else.
6. Practically no illegal immigrant is a good person who, aside from his or her illegal status, is just as law-abiding as anyone else.

Perhaps if you stopped playing silly bloody semantics in future debates we can reach a resolution with more brevity....i'm sure it will be more enjoyable, bigly.

Well, that's a clear cut case of projection if ever there was one. The semantic nitpicking is entirely on you. No one else. You are the one who have been trying to use semantics to pretend Trump said something he clearly didn't, and we others have been forced to use semantics to explain to you why you are wrong. No one would have bothered with a semantic argument here if it wasn't for you.