Can we imagine any other western leader who would have called other countries ‘shitholes?’
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Whether hes a racist or not surely everyone can see the what kind of person he is? Could anyone, with any stretch of imagination, have foreseen the President Of The United States tweeting about the size of his nuclear button? Does he not see, or care, that high office (and his office doesnt come higher) comes with responsibility? What happened to concepts of diplomacy and statesmanship? Every time this man speaks he comes across as some kind of caracature of arrogance. Can we imagine any other western leader who would have called other countries shitholes? This man is dangerous.
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Originally posted by jason_c View PostIt's only racist if you want to see it as racist. Trump has not barred Haitian's from entering the US. He is proposing a merit based system; a system in which Haitians as well as Norwegians would be welcome. Are you suggesting Haitians or others from these "poor and troubled" countries will not meet the requirements of a merit based system?
Originally posted by jason_c View PostTrump made his comments in a "private" meeting. Comments he and others have denied, but I suspect Trump did make a disparaging statement about these countries. Presidents are allowed to be disparaging statements if they so wish. Swearing and disrespect are often used for emphasis in a meeting or conversation.
The last three days have been consumed by this debate: Did President Donald Trump refer to several foreign countries as “shitholes” or not?
Originally posted by jason_c View PostI will make a prediction; Trump will be asked in the near future whether or not these sh*thole countries will be welcome into the US. If he answers "yes" then he's not being racist, if he says "no" then he's a racist. How do you think Trump will answer the question that he will soon inevitably be asked?
See: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...cist.html?_r=0
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Originally posted by jason_c View PostI agree. Trump's hiring history and known friendships suggest he isn't racist. Im reminded of the Hitler and alt-right accusations thrown at him. His daughter is Jewish for goodness sake. Still, it didn't stop the slur of Nazi thrown at him.
The first thing they did is drop the word democracy and replace it with "populism". Trump has been accused of every "ism" under the sun, if the bar for racism is calling a country that is a shithole, a shithole then we can see how farcical things have become.
We are experiencing something similar in the UK with Brexit, failed authoritarian politicians like Blair, Hessaltine, Clegg, Major etc not being able to accept the biggest democratic vote in our history.
They will fail, the people have spoken.
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Are we supposed to like corrupt countries who try to dump their problems on us?
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Originally posted by Limehouse View PostBeautifully put PD Dunn.
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Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View PostIf he acts like a racist and talks like a racist, the chances are that he's probably a ..................
I agree. Trump's hiring history and known friendships suggest he isn't racist. Im reminded of the Hitler and alt-right accusations thrown at him. His daughter is Jewish for goodness sake. Still, it didn't stop the slur of Nazi thrown at him.
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Originally posted by c.d. View PostHello Herlock,
Trump has routinely treated members of his own party like dirt and has no problem insulting them. Should he get impeached, I think there are those in his party who will not be eager to come to his defense.
c.d.
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Originally posted by jason_c View PostIt's only racist if you want to see it as racist. Trump has not barred Haitian's from entering the US. He is proposing a merit based system; a system in which Haitians as well as Norwegians would be welcome. Are you suggesting Haitians or others from these "poor and troubled" countries will not meet the requirements of a merit based system?
Trump made his comments in a "private" meeting. Comments he and others have denied, but I suspect Trump did make a disparaging statement about these countries. Presidents are allowed to be disparaging statements if they so wish. Swearing and disrespect are often used for emphasis in a meeting or conversation.
I will make a prediction; Trump will be asked in the near future whether or not these sh*thole countries will be welcome into the US. If he answers "yes" then he's not being racist, if he says "no" then he's a racist. How do you think Trump will answer the question that he will soon inevitably be asked?
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Originally posted by Pcdunn View PostHarry, had he merely observed (as his later tweet said he did) that Haiti was "poor and troubled," I wouldn't have had a problem with it. That is only the truth.
But suggesting that Haitians should be removed from the list of immigrants with temporary protected status because the USA doesn't want them (as well as suggesting we get more Norwegians), throws a distinctly raçist cast on his words.
Everyone who came to America voluntarily in our history did so because they sought better conditions than in their homelands, whether religious freedom, relief from famine, escape from political harassment and war, safety from natural disasters. Most immigrants faced a period of prejudice and disdain (even white ones, ask any Irish-American), yet most also managed to make contributions to our history.
To say now that our place as the country where a "better life" can only be held out to white Europeans is a denial of our history and our ideals. And yes, I realize those ideals in reality were less than perfect in history, but we have striven to rise above them and to make amends for our mistakes, and we should not go backwards now.
Trump made his comments in a "private" meeting. Comments he and others have denied, but I suspect Trump did make a disparaging statement about these countries. Presidents are allowed to be disparaging statements if they so wish. Swearing and disrespect are often used for emphasis in a meeting or conversation.
I will make a prediction; Trump will be asked in the near future whether or not these sh*thole countries will be welcome into the US. If he answers "yes" then he's not being racist, if he says "no" then he's a racist. How do you think Trump will answer the question that he will soon inevitably be asked?
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Originally posted by Pcdunn View PostHarry, had he merely observed (as his later tweet said he did) that Haiti was "poor and troubled," I wouldn't have had a problem with it. That is only the truth.
But suggesting that Haitians should be removed from the list of immigrants with temporary protected status because the USA doesn't want them (as well as suggesting we get more Norwegians), throws a distinctly raçist cast on his words.
Everyone who came to America voluntarily in our history did so because they sought better conditions than in their homelands, whether religious freedom, relief from famine, escape from political harassment and war, safety from natural disasters. Most immigrants faced a period of prejudice and disdain (even white ones, ask any Irish-American), yet most also managed to make contributions to our history.
To say now that our place as the country where a "better life" can only be held out to white Europeans is a denial of our history and our ideals. And yes, I realize those ideals in reality were less than perfect in history, but we have striven to rise above them and to make amends for our mistakes, and we should not go backwards now.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostAdmin prohibited trump threads.
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Originally posted by harry View PostExcept for the wording used,what is wrong with Trump's observations?
Had he included Jamaica,he might have struck a chord with many in UK.
But suggesting that Haitians should be removed from the list of immigrants with temporary protected status because the USA doesn't want them (as well as suggesting we get more Norwegians), throws a distinctly raçist cast on his words.
Everyone who came to America voluntarily in our history did so because they sought better conditions than in their homelands, whether religious freedom, relief from famine, escape from political harassment and war, safety from natural disasters. Most immigrants faced a period of prejudice and disdain (even white ones, ask any Irish-American), yet most also managed to make contributions to our history.
To say now that our place as the country where a "better life" can only be held out to white Europeans is a denial of our history and our ideals. And yes, I realize those ideals in reality were less than perfect in history, but we have striven to rise above them and to make amends for our mistakes, and we should not go backwards now.
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