Supreme Court to Hear Case of Bakery That Refused to Bake Cake for Same Sex Marriage

[Ginger]

Well said, Abby.

Love,

Caz
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What I was gonna say. Except I wasn't gonna sign it "Caz".

[Sam Flynn]

Is a same sex wedding cake made with puff pastry ?

Or the lesbian equivalent, sensible choux.

[Robert]

Suttee was another nasty one, now mercifully in the past. After all, you don't hear of Suttee and Cher, do you?

[caz]

Is a same sex wedding cake made with puff pastry ?

Depends on who's doing the baking, Jon. Arsenic if it's someone who hates puffs.

When my daughter was much younger than she is today, she came with us to a Gay Pride do in a south London park, where we met up with her uncle and his partner. I cautioned her not to use words like "poof" in case of causing offence and she was fascinated by all the sights. Then along came two young men wearing T-shirts with the logos: "I'm a poof" and "So am I". So much for my good intentions.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Speculating here, but I wonder how that rule evolved? Perhaps husbands finding their wives with other men were told by their wives that they were being raped, despite the absence of screams. Since a woman having an affair was not going to scream 'rape' and spoil everything, maybe the rule was introduced to stop cuckolded husbands being deceived.

I expect so, Robert. Always the woman's fault. Circumcise the lot of 'em, then they wouldn't stray in the first place. The rule makers must have been exceptionally vile creatures back then, to think like that, mustn't they? How unutterably depressing.

Good weekend all.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

I’m Christian, Episcopalian, but of the main branch, not conservative.
Our pastor is a woman, our former pastor was gay, we have several openly gay couples, all of which are dear friends of mine.

I guess legally it’s a tough call, but ethically it’s wrong. The owner might not legally have to serve them, but he’s a doosh, and needs to get out of the Middle Ages.

Well said, Abby.

Love,

Caz
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[Jon Guy]

Is a same sex wedding cake made with puff pastry ?

[GUT]

Just my opinion but no one should be forced into commerce that is against their beliefs, moral, religious, whatever.

[Robert]

Speculating here, but I wonder how that rule evolved? Perhaps husbands finding their wives with other men were told by their wives that they were being raped, despite the absence of screams. Since a woman having an affair was not going to scream 'rape' and spoil everything, maybe the rule was introduced to stop cuckolded husbands being deceived.

[Abby Normal]

Sadly though the Old Testament also says that if a woman doesnt scream loudly enough while shes being raped she should be stoned to death as an accessory to her own defilement. The OT is not the best guide to morality im afraid and of course youd be hard pressed to find a Christian who believed this horrible nonsense today.

Agree. Which is why the NT is more dear to my heart.

[Abby Normal]

I’m Christian, Episcopalian, but of the main branch, not conservative.
Our pastor is a woman, our former pastor was gay, we have several openly gay couples, all of which are dear friends of mine.

I guess legally it’s a tough call, but ethically it’s wrong. The owner might not legally have to serve them, but he’s a doosh, and needs to get out of the Middle Ages.

[Herlock Sholmes]

. Many who are cite the Old Testament, about "a man should not lie with another man as with a woman", if I remember it right.

Sadly though the Old Testament also says that if a woman doesnt scream loudly enough while shes being raped she should be stoned to death as an accessory to her own defilement. The OT is not the best guide to morality im afraid and of course youd be hard pressed to find a Christian who believed this horrible nonsense today.

[Pcdunn]

Some links to more info on the case and the NARROW decision the SCOTUS returned:

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/04/masterpiece-cakeshop-ruling-supreme-court/

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/youve-heard-from-the-baker-now-hear-from-the-woman-called-out-by-the-supreme-court-in-its-ruling/73-562092956

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/05/22/colorado-civil-rights-commission-reauthorized-2027/

From what I can gather, the Justices who voted for the Masterpiece Bakery felt that a few phrases used by the Colorado Civil Rights Commission "exhibited hostility" towards the beliefs of the baker. They definitely limited the decision to this specific case, and it may not impact Federal or State law in the long run.

[Robert]

No Caz, it's none of the law's business who likes whom, as long as it doesn't result in murder etc.

[caz]

Well Michael, I think gays should be able to discriminate against Christians if they want. You surely don't want a society where everyone has to think the same, act the same, and anyone who doesn't is subjected to an inquisition as to his motives?

Discriminating against someone because of their religion is slightly different because there's a choice involved, for all those free to make one. God made me C of E, but when I stopped believing, around the age of fifteen, I chose to let Mother Nature make me an atheist instead. We are, or should be free to laugh at one another for our personal beliefs, but if God and Mother Nature are jointly responsible for making a person gay, that's how they will stay. And if others who happen to be straight don't like it, on religious grounds or just because they are not very nice people, the law can at least step in to make them lump it.

Love,

Caz
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