CNN has lost all credibility

[c.d.]

Abby,

It seems your hatred of the Clintons has blinded you to the fact that allegations are proof of nothing. They are simply allegations. Rape charges? Any evidence for that? No. Sexual abuse? Examples?

"Take off your partisan politics blinders and maybe you just might see the truth."

Agreed. You might want to follow your own advice.

Clintons = sleaze

Republicans = sleaze AND hypocrisy.

c.d.

[Abby Normal]

"Oh and the womanizing, cheating, abuse charges and blow bobs in the Oval Office from an intern? It had real consequences. Friends of ours who had kids in middle school were telling us the nightmare of kids harassing girls for blow bobs because you know, it isn't really sex. Totally true story. And sad."

I agree that the whole Lewinsky thing was a disgrace. Too bad that old Bill didn't have the high moral standards of Republican Presidential Candidates Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani both of whom were married and dipping their wicks elsewhere at the exact same time they were loudly and publicly criticizing Clinton for what he did. I hope somebody told those school kids so that they could learn about adultery and hypocrisy at the same time. Now that would be efficient learning.

c.d.

P.S. And let's not forget those so called Christians who are the bedrock of the Republican party and their hatred and condemnation of gays while at the same time they are having sex with male prostitutes and trying to pick up guys in airport bathrooms.

Yes, Clinton was a sleeze bag but if you think that kind of behavior is limited to members of only one party you have just earned your diploma from naive school.

Of course not. slimeballs on both sides.
But yet again another poster focusing on the Lewinski scandal and not his sexual abuse and rape charges. Gee I wonder why?

Adultery is one thing. Rape and sexual abuse is another.
Your not being naive your being blind.

The breadth and depth of clintons sexual abuse bs is so far beyond anything your trying to compare it to is really sad.

And that's the deal with the clintons, there is just so much immoral, illegal and slimeball activity that it's hard for you apologists to keep up with.

Take off your partisan politics blinders and maybe you just might see the truth.

And why do you have to bring Christianity into it? Why?

[c.d.]

"Oh and the womanizing, cheating, abuse charges and blow bobs in the Oval Office from an intern? It had real consequences. Friends of ours who had kids in middle school were telling us the nightmare of kids harassing girls for blow bobs because you know, it isn't really sex. Totally true story. And sad."

I agree that the whole Lewinsky thing was a disgrace. Too bad that old Bill didn't have the high moral standards of Republican Presidential Candidates Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani both of whom were married and dipping their wicks elsewhere at the exact same time they were loudly and publicly criticizing Clinton for what he did. I hope somebody told those school kids so that they could learn about adultery and hypocrisy at the same time. Now that would be efficient learning.

c.d.

P.S. And let's not forget those so called Christians who are the bedrock of the Republican party and their hatred and condemnation of gays while at the same time they are having sex with male prostitutes and trying to pick up guys in airport bathrooms.

Yes, Clinton was a sleeze bag but if you think that kind of behavior is limited to members of only one party you have just earned your diploma from naive school.

[Abby Normal]

I think Clinton may well have been set up, rather than being a predator.

Why else did Monica keep the little black dress in the state it was in. I'd have thought that with semen down the front it would have been into the wash or off to the cleaners, not packed away, semen and all.

One issue I've never heard a realistic answer for.

Maybe she wanted to save it for a keep sake?

And he was set up all right. By his own slimeballness.

[GUT]

Clinton and his Intern

I think Clinton may well have been set up, rather than being a predator.

Why else did Monica keep the little black dress in the state it was in. I'd have thought that with semen down the front it would have been into the wash or off to the cleaners, not packed away, semen and all.

One issue I've never heard a realistic answer for.

[GUT]

The sad reality of the situation is that the kind of alpha male that can lead a country isn't going to be a very nice person. If he had a conscience, it would drive him either to madness or suicide. Since a kind and gentle POTUS is out of the question, I'll settle for an effective one. Trump seems to be that in spades. His allegiance seems to be to himself and the United States, rather than to a political party.

To date, this man is pretty much my dream POTUS. I devoutly hope that he continues on as he has started.

I think you make a great point about the sort of alpha male issue.

But I'd add just to run he has to have an ego, bigger than Texas (as my American friends like to say, but Tesas is small, so not sure why).

[Abby Normal]

Yes....but age had nothing to do with it is my point.. they were both adults....now, if you had said an intern in the oval office only and left age out of it I wouldn't have commented....you brought up the age gap....and I just pointed out Trump doesn't seem to mind women half his age......or less IF some of the allegations are to be believed

Again, the funny thing is you get all defensive about it, I have said from the get go I support our President....but you only see what you want to see.. that is the problem on both sides....nobody wants facts, just only see what they want to see.....so sorry you seemed so triggered by it

Steadmund Brand

Im not on any side steadmund as ive said many times. Im not republican or democrat, I'm registered independent and My whole point is that either side is so blinded by their political party ideology that neither can see the truth on either side, so much so that even the news cant be objective any more.

I will admit though I do see the blindedness more right now on the liberal/demi side. to a point where its gotten hysterical.

and if you don't see the truth behind who is the worse when it comes to there treatment of women-Clinton or trump, than IMHO you have been blinded. Because its ridiculously obvious Clinton is much much worse, and legally so, that Bill Clinton is a hair away from being in prison due to his treatment of women.

[Patrick S]

Most socialist? Is socialism subject to gradation?

Oh, god. Okay. Fine.....

[Steadmund Brand]

Man, Mike! You are plugged into how Republicans think! Oooo! Oooo! Do they hate puppies? Probably do, right? All of them. Because they think, like, with one brain, don't they? One big, stupid, EVIL brain...DICK CHENEY'S BRAIN!...... But what if someone is only Republican on some things, like defense or taxes, but not all that Republican at all on, like, abortion, or immigration? Are they as awful as the full-Republican haters who take their hating orders from Fox News? I'm trying to get a handle on all this because it seems REALLY complex and, well, you seem like the guy who has it all figured out.

Didn't you know....All republicans are racist hateful homophobic bible thumpers… and all democrats are “libtard” snowflakes who need a safe space from Trump…..get with the program.. this is what our “news” networks teach us….didn’t you know….but then again… being a New Yorker I don’t know, because per these outlets I am not a “real American” anyway, but then again according to the “other” network, I am the only smart one….hmmmm

Seriously... both sides are a mess now... I take it by your response you are a Republican on things like defense and taxes (if not, I apologize for assuming) where I am a Democrat on some issues but very much on the right when it comes to economics and the death penalty and many other "dividing" issues.... and the thing is, people like us ARE THE MAJORITY of AMERICANS.... just not the vocal minority of the extremes on both sides...the pendulum constantly swings and in time rationality will again take over... I hope...but hey.... how about my Yankees!!! 8 wins in a row (whooo hooo... and I know.... The NY Yankees are a hot button issue as well....love/hate no in between....but at least it's more sensible to argue baseball)

Steadmund Brand

[Harry D]

The nations I listed - whether they are card carrying members of the Planet Earth Socialist Governments Club or not - preside over the most socialist economies/societies in the world and have for decades, because the list is fairly unchanged from when I was in school.

Most socialist? Is socialism subject to gradation?

[Patrick S]

Absolutely. Republicans don't start hating until Fox News labels things.

Mike

Man, Mike! You are plugged into how Republicans think! Oooo! Oooo! Do they hate puppies? Probably do, right? All of them. Because they think, like, with one brain, don't they? One big, stupid, EVIL brain...DICK CHENEY'S BRAIN!...... But what if someone is only Republican on some things, like defense or taxes, but not all that Republican at all on, like, abortion, or immigration? Are they as awful as the full-Republican haters who take their hating orders from Fox News? I'm trying to get a handle on all this because it seems REALLY complex and, well, you seem like the guy who has it all figured out.

[The Good Michael]

Germany's deeply conservative Iron Chancellor, Otto Von Bismarck, is widely regarded as creating the world's first welfare state in the 19th century, as ironic as that might seem to some. Doesn't this demonstrate that ideological definitions are no where near as clear cut as the modern Republican Party appear to believe?

Absolutely. Republicans don't start hating until Fox News labels things.

Mike

[Steadmund Brand]

Yes....but age had nothing to do with it is my point.. they were both adults....now, if you had said an intern in the oval office only and left age out of it I wouldn't have commented....you brought up the age gap....and I just pointed out Trump doesn't seem to mind women half his age......or less IF some of the allegations are to be believed

Again, the funny thing is you get all defensive about it, I have said from the get go I support our President....but you only see what you want to see.. that is the problem on both sides....nobody wants facts, just only see what they want to see.....so sorry you seemed so triggered by it

Steadmund Brand

[Abby Normal]

Is it....you are the one who brought up age... if you were to have said an intern in the oval office fine... but YOU BROUGHT UP AGE

well, let us start with
Ivana Trump, Jill Harth ,Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginia, Mindy McGillivray, Cathy Heller, Kristin Anderson,Jessica Leeds, Ninni Laaksonen, Cassandra Searles... I could go on... if you would like... but there is no point because I'm sure you will say it's all "fake news" which I am sure some are, no doubt...as with Clinton's accusers....some I'm sure are fake, but not all....

Look..I am just pointing out facts...not taking sides... if you read what I have said before...Do I think all these claims are true... NOT A CHANCE...but if you notice I said "there have been SEVERAL charges against Trump as well"

Steadmund Brand

if you were to have said an intern in the oval office fine...

I did-"Having sex with an intern half his age in the oval office"

[Abby Normal]

Fellas! I hate to break this to you, but the Clintons, Trump, Bush, Cheney, Obama, Gore....pick one.....none of them would piss on you if you were on fire...unless they REALLY needed your vote....and then ...only maybe.

More to the point: Clinton is a dirtbag...that doesn't mean Trump isn't. Clinton was/is a sexual predator. That doesn't make Trump Mother Teresa. Who is worse? Who knows? Everyone listed above is a professional liar. They have sketchy principals, no ethics, and their ambition overpowers any empathy, compassion, or sincerity that may still exist within their hollow shells of humanity. Let's call it a tie!

I discovered long ago that when you advocate for a politician you'll usually end up being made an ass of.

I'm not advocating any of them and for the most part I agree-except that some are obviously worse, much worse than others.