CNN has lost all credibility

[Svensson]

That's what they also said about Germany & Sweden.

again, I can't let this one pass.

I can see why Sweden and Germany are like a red rag to republicans in general.

Sweden is the antipathy of Republican ideology. It is a high-tax country where government has sweeping powers and responsibilities. despite this I would actually say, because of this), Sweden ranks consistently higher than the US in Standard of living tables. Over the years, we have seen attempts by Breitbart, Trump and Fox to paint a different picture. Fortunately, this is not really successful however.

Germany, similar situation. They have taken in a million refugees in 2015 in an attempt to get to grips with the refugee crisis that is the result of the Syrian war. Republicans would love Germany to fail (however you would measure "failure") or at least take some cheap pot-shots like they owe NATO money (they don't) or they manipulate their currency to hurt the US economy (they don't and they can;t, even if they wanted to).

Back to the subject of the thread: CNN are doing an important service in holding Trump and his cronies to account and uncovering their constant lies. In that respect, CNN are doing an important service to the american people and even to the world. It is only natural that Trump Supporters would like to discredit CNN in any way possible. And quite sad

[Svensson]

- are you willing to give the Republican Congress any credit for the supposed budget surplus? Which it wasn't btw. That surplus was another example of fake news. It was just an accounting trick.
- the same with the unemployment rate of 4%. Do Republicans get credit for that too?

I am absolutely willing to give congress some credit in this if the process to get there can show that they had a positive influence on the outcome..

The problem is, you have basically killed off any such discussion by claiming that there was no budget surplus and that the unemployment rate of 4% was not correct.

This leads me to the wider problem that for any rational discussion, certain facts, and the authority on the facts need to be agreed on. If there is no consensus on that on such basic principles, then there is no point to discuss anything at all.

And this is probably the sad state of american politics now. We used to be warned not to discuss politics in places like China, Vietnam, Turkey or South Africa (Apartheid days). Now it seems that we can add the US to that list as well. It's just too toxic.

Clinton's relationship was with an intern. That relationship would get most mid level managers fired immediately. I can't believe anyone would condemn Trump for what he said but defend Clinton's for what they actually did.

Not a good example. There is nothing that would stop a president or a manager to have a relationship with anyone on his staff. you are probably confusing this with a Teacher/Pupil relationship.

I'm also not defending Clinton for lying under oath but we need to keep things in perspective:

One lied under oath about a consensual relationship.
Another described his Sexual Assault MO in a secret Audio tape.

[Abby Normal]

America creates the crises for the purpose of doing something about them in order to enrich the few. Canada rarely is involved in causing such issues, hence, it is a safer place.

Mike

"AMerica creates the crises"???? LOL. OK.

[jason_c]

America creates the crises for the purpose of doing something about them in order to enrich the few. Canada rarely is involved in causing such issues, hence, it is a safer place.

Mike

That's what they also said about Germany & Sweden.

[The Good Michael]

Oh and the next time there's a world crisis go ahead and see what Canada does about it.

America creates the crises for the purpose of doing something about them in order to enrich the few. Canada rarely is involved in causing such issues, hence, it is a safer place.

Mike

[Abby Normal]

As usual, you are correct. I'm glad I have no party allegiance. Had I, I'd be embarrassed about this and about Trump. Trump is about the dumbest politician I can recall, and yet he's president. The saddest thing right now in America is that Saturday Night Live's representations of Trump and his sidekicks are more concise and newsworthy than listening to these creeps wheedle, moan and lie. Obama had class though he got very little done due to his following protocol, like a president should, and because of the obstructionist Republican old white man party. America is a scary place right now. I am not looking forward to going back this summer, but when I do, I'll be driving up to Canada where there are less guns and conservatives are not gun and religion connected. Wish me luck.

Mike

America is a scary place? HAHAHAHAHA!
You've been watching too much CNN.

"Old white man party"?
Better be careful, I might just have to accuse you of being ageist, sexist and a racist.

Oh and the next time there's a world crisis go ahead and see what Canada does about it.

[Sam Flynn]

I'll be driving up to Canada where there are less guns and conservatives are not gun and religion connected. Wish me luck.

I certainly do, Mike

[The Good Michael]

No, I'm referring to the catastrophically ill-advised and dishonest campaign undertaken by Bush and Blair against Iraq, which led directly to the mess the world is in now.Not in the slightest, Abby.

As usual, you are correct. I'm glad I have no party allegiance. Had I, I'd be embarrassed about this and about Trump. Trump is about the dumbest politician I can recall, and yet he's president. The saddest thing right now in America is that Saturday Night Live's representations of Trump and his sidekicks are more concise and newsworthy than listening to these creeps wheedle, moan and lie. Obama had class though he got very little done due to his following protocol, like a president should, and because of the obstructionist Republican old white man party. America is a scary place right now. I am not looking forward to going back this summer, but when I do, I'll be driving up to Canada where there are less guns and conservatives are not gun and religion connected. Wish me luck.

Mike

[Abby Normal]

No, I'm referring to the catastrophically ill-advised and dishonest campaign undertaken by Bush and Blair against Iraq, which led directly to the mess the world is in now.Not in the slightest, Abby.

Sam
The problem is not "regime change" . It's pulling out and sticking your head in the sand and acting like there's nothing wrong.

And if you think that bush and Blair are directly responsible for "the mess the world is in now" then I'm sorry but you are delusional and very much so.

Do think the terrorists and Middle East tyrants like Saddam might have just the littlest to do with it?

Good lord.

[Sam Flynn]

I think you are referring to the ***** presidents Clinton and Obama

No, I'm referring to the catastrophically ill-advised and dishonest campaign undertaken by Bush and Blair against Iraq, which led directly to the mess the world is in now.

Really Sam your not that deluded are you?

Not in the slightest, Abby.

[jason_c]

Sounds rather like an attempt of revisionism to me. Clinton delivered
- a budget surplus
- an unemployment rate of 4%
- the closest thing the world had ever seen to a middle-east peace-deal (until Rabbin was assasinated),
- other stuff that we might find on wikipedia.

So he lied about a consensual relationship.

Now let's wait until the *****-grabbing filters through into the primary-
and high-schools. Totally sad....

- are you willing to give the Republican Congress any credit for the supposed budget surplus? Which it wasn't btw. That surplus was another example of fake news. It was just an accounting trick.
- the same with the unemployment rate of 4%. Do Republicans get credit for that too?


Clinton's relationship was with an intern. That relationship would get most mid level managers fired immediately. I can't believe anyone would condemn Trump for what he said but defend Clinton's for what they actually did.

[Abby Normal]

The article is not about the content of the dosier, the article is about the secret services briefing Trump and the then administration Obama\Biden about the existence of the dossier. This reporting has been confirmed as correct, so the article is not fake news.


Yes, but that doesn't mean that none of this is correct. Either way, at the time CNN were reporting on this, the explicitly stated:
"At this point, CNN is not reporting on details of the memos, as it has not independently corroborated the specific allegations"



But CNN did not report on he content of the dossier, they reported on the fact that a dossier exists and that after several months of investigation by FBI and CIA, it is still not concluded and that in the eyes of the secret services, the possibility that Russia had compromising information on Trump could not be discounted.

Besides, I think it is newsworthy if the secret services are investigating whether or not an adversary power has leverage over the president or not.

The Russian dossier was fake news. A British ex spy was paid by Clinton/demi's to dig **** up on Trump and then they drip fed it to our lame ass intel who got fat and lazy under Obama and half are his cronys which is why they hate Trump.
I've been say it for a long time...our intel needs a shake up believe me I know I work in USA intel.

Then our fake news networks lapped it up like a blind dog.

Fake news.

[Abby Normal]

Kicked ass? Well, yes, but in the process of bringing about regime-change in the Middle East he created a power vacuum since filled by extremist groups arguably more antagonistic towards the West even than Al Qaeda, and who have wrought untold misery at home and abroad ever since.

I think you are referring to the ***** presidents Clinton and Obama. One who shot bombs into sand dunes while getting blow bobs by an intern and the other who was the coward preserve my "legacy" at all costs by pulling all the troops and doing nothing against those extremist groups.

Really Sam your not that deluded are you?

[Abby Normal]

Sounds rather like an attempt of revisionism to me. Clinton delivered
- a budget surplus
- an unemployment rate of 4%
- the closest thing the world had ever seen to a middle-east peace-deal (until Rabbin was assasinated),
- other stuff that we might find on wikipedia.

So he lied about a consensual relationship.

Now let's wait until the *****-grabbing filters through into the primary-
and high-schools. Totally sad....

Clinton will go down as one of the worse presidents in history. He already is. History doesn't lie.

[Abby Normal]

Context Abby. Trump was constantly berating Obama for playing Golf at Martha's Vinyard. And he is the the one now taking half the secret service staff (the other half are stationed at Trump tower in NYC) with him every weekend to Florida with him to play Golf himself, breaking all of Obama's records in the process.

Except that Trump sleeps like two hours a night. And I don't give a crap how much he makes the secret service work. That's their job.