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    I think it's clear that the Trump administration has declared war on the U.S. media. Although, to be fair, the U.S. media declared "total war" on Trump the moment he became the Republican nominee. And he won anyway. So, that likely says something about how much American's trust their media.

    A recent poll suggests that about 15% of Americans feel that they can believe the media. Personally, I'm shocked that 15% of people are that naïve and/or stupid.

    Trump is a liar. I've not had exposure to the man throughout his life, but I suspect it's not something new. He's likely a born liar (which makes it puzzling he became a politician so late in life...but he was in real estate so....close enough).

    So, is the media wrong to attack the Trump administration's "alternative facts"? Obviously not. Trump has shown from the beginning of his candidacy that he's a dishonest peddler of propaganda and disinformation. I think the question is this: How does he differ from his immediate predecessor on this front? The answer is NOT AT ALL.

    The difference is that U.S. media abetted the Obama administration's dissemination of propaganda. They accepted distortions, exaggerations, outright lies, and then sold them to the American people as fact. They sold lies about economic recovery, they ignored misinformation about "shovel ready" jobs and "massive infrastructure" projects to aid growth, and they aided Obama in selling his "blame Bush" narrative when none of it worked. They accepted and sold the Obama and Clinton Benghazi lies about video tapes and protests. They ignored the massive bureaucratic waste and ineffectiveness of "Obamacare" and repeated the administration's fantasies to the masses. They ignored Obama's absurd commutations and pardons, and his massive giveaway to Palestine as he left office.

    You see, by that point they were fixated on indulging their fantasies about Trump and Russian prostitutes and "golden showers" in Obama's hotel room. Then it was on to Trump's cabinet picks, presenting them as crazy, demented, insane, or simply stupid. Then they moved on to inauguration crowd sizes (and they remain fixated on that point)/ Then we heard about removed busts of civil right leaders that weren't actually removed but were just were obstructed from view (same difference), but that one doesn't count because they admitted the mistake and said sorry.

    Particularly instructive, I think , is the current media narrative that Trump is "subverting" the U.S. democratic process by voicing accusations of voter fraud. Ignoring, of course, that Al Gore did the same (x 1000) throughout the 2000 recount, that Obama alleged plans to "steal" his elections in both 2008 and 2012, but it all turned out okay because he - the media's choice - won. Nothing to see here. Dead story. All's well that ends well. Trump says "voter fraud" after winning and he's insane, unpatriotic, subverting democracy and the sanctity of our electoral process. Gore and Obama do the same thing and, well, they're just telling the truth....and they step up to the plate and help those good democrats tell the story. The "true" story.

    In the final analysis Trump is president because of the media. The media whored itself out to the Obama administration and the electorate noticed. They merely pimped for Bill Clinton. They became "fair and balanced" and "spoke truth to power" for George W. Bush, and then outright prostituted themselves for Barack Obama (and Hillary during the campaign).

    In the end, what matters is that ALL of these things are true: Trump is a corrupt, unqualified, not overly intelligent, narcissistic, egotistical, lying, amoral sleazebag. The U.S. media is a dishonest, partisan, propaganda peddling arm of the far left-wing of the democratic party. They are the Völkischer Beobachter. And we are going to continue following one awful, fringe, unqualified, corrupt, lying president with another until they take their responsibility seriously. Unless journalistic ethics become more important than espousing liberal positions and candidates, right or wrong, for better or worse, the electorate will never trust the media's information enough to allow it to inform their choice at the ballot box.

  • #2
    good a nd fair post. I agree with everything you say.

    The only thing I would add is that Hillary is a better liar.
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

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    • #3
      WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump tweeted early Wednesday that he is ordering a "major investigation" into voter fraud, revisiting unsubstantiated claims he's made repeatedly about a rigged voting system.


      This is just nuts. He won, he is President, all states plus the District of Columbia say there was no voter fraud, and if his investigation proves it DID exist, then he runs the risk of really seeming to be a "non-legitimate" President.

      I think he's distracting us from other things. But, yes, the media need to stay balanced and fair. "Favorable"-- that might be too much to expect.
      Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post
        http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2017/Pr...9d2f9eacde1e30

        This is just nuts. He won, he is President, all states plus the District of Columbia say there was no voter fraud, and if his investigation proves it DID exist, then he runs the risk of really seeming to be a "non-legitimate" President.

        I think he's distracting us from other things. But, yes, the media need to stay balanced and fair. "Favorable"-- that might be too much to expect.
        The NEWS media shouldn't be favorable on unfavorable. They should present the facts and allow the consumer of the news to form either a favorable or unfavorable impression. I don't have a favorable opinion of Trump and I don't have a favorable opinion of his fixation on voter fraud in an election he won. Although, I cannot say I'm surprised that he's doing it in that he simply cannot accept that he did not win the popular vote (completely inconsequential as that SHOULD be to the man) as he is an absurdly arrogant human being.

        There is an established process these days. The media feeds you a 'news' story. It's usually biased, using words that reflect the writer's or speaker's own beliefs, but it's supposed to pas for "hard news", the straight dope. That's then followed by some opinion, either in the form of an op-ed (for print) or 'round table' (for radio and TV) that's intended to outright TELL YOU what you're supposed to think. Then we have some excepts from the social media wasteland - which now passes for news (?) - so that you know what all the cool kids think about it. And...boom! Your opinion is now fully formed and you're ready to go out and spread the liberal gospel according to CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NTY, WaPo, LA Times, Boston Globe, et al.

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        • #5
          Open Letter from The Press Corps to Donald Trump, published by the Columbia Journalism Review:

          Dear Mr. President Elect: In these final days before your inauguration, we thought it might be helpful to clarify how we see the relationship between your administration and the American press corps. It will come as no surprise to you that we see the relationship as strained. Reports over the last few days that your […]


          Very brave and resounding words, but it'll be interesting to see how well things go over the long haul. I do agree, if he or Spicer or others say inaccurate things, the journalists need to point these things out to us.
          Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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          Von Konigswald: Jack the Ripper plays shuffleboard. -- Happy Birthday, Wanda June by Kurt Vonnegut, c.1970.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Patrick S View Post
            I think it's clear that the Trump administration has declared war on the U.S. media. Although, to be fair, the U.S. media declared "total war" on Trump the moment he became the Republican nominee. And he won anyway. So, that likely says something about how much American's trust their media.

            A recent poll suggests that about 15% of Americans feel that they can believe the media. Personally, I'm shocked that 15% of people are that naïve and/or stupid.

            Trump is a liar. I've not had exposure to the man throughout his life, but I suspect it's not something new. He's likely a born liar (which makes it puzzling he became a politician so late in life...but he was in real estate so....close enough).

            So, is the media wrong to attack the Trump administration's "alternative facts"? Obviously not. Trump has shown from the beginning of his candidacy that he's a dishonest peddler of propaganda and disinformation. I think the question is this: How does he differ from his immediate predecessor on this front? The answer is NOT AT ALL.

            The difference is that U.S. media abetted the Obama administration's dissemination of propaganda. They accepted distortions, exaggerations, outright lies, and then sold them to the American people as fact. They sold lies about economic recovery, they ignored misinformation about "shovel ready" jobs and "massive infrastructure" projects to aid growth, and they aided Obama in selling his "blame Bush" narrative when none of it worked. They accepted and sold the Obama and Clinton Benghazi lies about video tapes and protests. They ignored the massive bureaucratic waste and ineffectiveness of "Obamacare" and repeated the administration's fantasies to the masses. They ignored Obama's absurd commutations and pardons, and his massive giveaway to Palestine as he left office.

            You see, by that point they were fixated on indulging their fantasies about Trump and Russian prostitutes and "golden showers" in Obama's hotel room. Then it was on to Trump's cabinet picks, presenting them as crazy, demented, insane, or simply stupid. Then they moved on to inauguration crowd sizes (and they remain fixated on that point)/ Then we heard about removed busts of civil right leaders that weren't actually removed but were just were obstructed from view (same difference), but that one doesn't count because they admitted the mistake and said sorry.

            Particularly instructive, I think , is the current media narrative that Trump is "subverting" the U.S. democratic process by voicing accusations of voter fraud. Ignoring, of course, that Al Gore did the same (x 1000) throughout the 2000 recount, that Obama alleged plans to "steal" his elections in both 2008 and 2012, but it all turned out okay because he - the media's choice - won. Nothing to see here. Dead story. All's well that ends well. Trump says "voter fraud" after winning and he's insane, unpatriotic, subverting democracy and the sanctity of our electoral process. Gore and Obama do the same thing and, well, they're just telling the truth....and they step up to the plate and help those good democrats tell the story. The "true" story.

            In the final analysis Trump is president because of the media. The media whored itself out to the Obama administration and the electorate noticed. They merely pimped for Bill Clinton. They became "fair and balanced" and "spoke truth to power" for George W. Bush, and then outright prostituted themselves for Barack Obama (and Hillary during the campaign).

            In the end, what matters is that ALL of these things are true: Trump is a corrupt, unqualified, not overly intelligent, narcissistic, egotistical, lying, amoral sleazebag. The U.S. media is a dishonest, partisan, propaganda peddling arm of the far left-wing of the democratic party. They are the Völkischer Beobachter. And we are going to continue following one awful, fringe, unqualified, corrupt, lying president with another until they take their responsibility seriously. Unless journalistic ethics become more important than espousing liberal positions and candidates, right or wrong, for better or worse, the electorate will never trust the media's information enough to allow it to inform their choice at the ballot box.
            The media IMO has been very light on the DJ up until the Russia-story IMO. They hadn't declared war on Trump, but on his outrageous remarks and view-points, and rightly so IMO. Total war has only started since his press conference last week where he accused CNN of fake news and shut down the CNN reporter. CNN reported on three points the night before and they were all correct. Buzzfeed then published it but this had nothing to do with CNN's reporting. IMO, Trump got this wrong and actually should have apologised to CNN but then again, Trump never thinks he's wrong, does he?

            The press should actually start calling out his lies for what they are. "Lies", not "Falsehoods". I have seen politicians getting caught lying and they take the rap for it. Trump simply ignores the fact that he has been caught and invents additional lies to distract from the first lie and all of this is repeated several times a week. I have never seen anything like this before but I have never seen a dictatorship up close. Trump is turning into the world's laughing stock a la Duterte, Ahmadenajad, Berlusconi (at least, he was harmless) and of course, you-know-who.....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Svensson View Post
              The media IMO has been very light on the DJ up until the Russia-story IMO. They hadn't declared war on Trump, but on his outrageous remarks and view-points, and rightly so IMO. Total war has only started since his press conference last week where he accused CNN of fake news and shut down the CNN reporter. CNN reported on three points the night before and they were all correct. Buzzfeed then published it but this had nothing to do with CNN's reporting. IMO, Trump got this wrong and actually should have apologised to CNN but then again, Trump never thinks he's wrong, does he?

              The press should actually start calling out his lies for what they are. "Lies", not "Falsehoods". I have seen politicians getting caught lying and they take the rap for it. Trump simply ignores the fact that he has been caught and invents additional lies to distract from the first lie and all of this is repeated several times a week. I have never seen anything like this before but I have never seen a dictatorship up close. Trump is turning into the world's laughing stock a la Duterte, Ahmadenajad, Berlusconi (at least, he was harmless) and of course, you-know-who.....
              We can agree to disagree on some points here. But I completely agree that the press should call out lies, misinformation, PROPAGANDA. By Trump, by ANYONE, even (gasp) democrats. That's their role. I want the media to be hard on Trump, he does deserve it. He's a fool.

              The point is a simple one: The media has two sets of rule of engagement, one for republicans, one for democrats. The democrats get an assist from the media, republicans get a roadblock. Regardless of how liberal or conservative you are, which party you support, it's a disservice to you as an individual voter and the electorate as whole. It's bad for the political system and the country when the press abdicates their role in democracy. And - in my view - they began the process ruing the 92 election and transitioned to full-fledged cheerleaders for democrats during the 2008 campaign.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Patrick S View Post
                We can agree to disagree on some points here. But I completely agree that the press should call out lies, misinformation, PROPAGANDA. By Trump, by ANYONE, even (gasp) democrats. That's their role. I want the media to be hard on Trump, he does deserve it. He's a fool.

                The point is a simple one: The media has two sets of rule of engagement, one for republicans, one for democrats. The democrats get an assist from the media, republicans get a roadblock. Regardless of how liberal or conservative you are, which party you support, it's a disservice to you as an individual voter and the electorate as whole. It's bad for the political system and the country when the press abdicates their role in democracy. And - in my view - they began the process ruing the 92 election and transitioned to full-fledged cheerleaders for democrats during the 2008 campaign.
                Actually, a point that is well taken Patrick. Fact is, I have often felt that the First Amendment does act like a sham at times, because of one factor that rarely is discussed - that the media rarely goes after it's own if they do something wrong. The brouhaha in Britain two or three years ago regarding the liberties taken by Murdoch's people with "News of the World" hacking into private cell phone messages and such was too big to hide, but note Rupert is still running that media empire (and note too, that incredible coincidence that helped the then Mrs. Murdoch but did not help poor Mrs. McKay - it is rarely talked about, and it should be!). The worst is when one of them fakes a story that considerable mileage came out of (several "Pulitzer Prizes" got awarded over the years for such fake stories. Then they reveal it was a fraud, but it is so revealed when the reported involved finds he or she was uncovered and his or her career is in the toilet. But the private lives of reporters and media figures are rarely really gotten into. I recall only one scandal of real proportions, and it was a posthumous one: Jessica Savage, when she had drowned while driving while intoxicated with her boyfriend, and driving into a canal (and both drowning). Suddenly her history of alcoholism was revealed to the public - after the fact had become impossible to cover-up.

                Jeff

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                • #9
                  Hi all

                  I would agree with the consensus that on the whole the media have not been overly harsh on Trump. Yes, okay, a lot of people, political professionals and media, thought he couldn't win and that his candidacy would only be a sideshow. But he has said a lot of outrageous and provocative things that have needed to be called out. The media would not be doing their job if they didn't cover his exaggerations and provocations, if not downright lies.

                  Of course, that media attention also helped to get him elected so it might actually be disingenuous for him to now turn around and attack the media. It has been noted by some that Trump needs a foil, and now that he doesn't have another candidate or candidates to compete against, the media has become a convenient whipping boy for him.

                  Last night I caught Watergate journalist Carl Bernstein talking about Trump to CNN's Don Lemon. Bernstein made the valid point that in his 50 years as a reporter and writer he has never seen a president like Trump, and that Trump's emotional instability and outbursts are going to continue to cause trouble -- and we are only in the first week of this stuff! People in the United States and around the world are right to feel uneasy with this person in the White House.

                  Best regards

                  Chris
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