Outrage in Nice

[Abby Normal]

Btw "Karl" put your money where your mouth is. Where do you live?

[Karl]

Firstly, Karl I apologize if I just reopened a can of worms. I hope everyone realizes that I was simply making an observation about the statement of the German submarine ace (which, by the way, is a remarkable achievement to have made that much sunken tonnage AND SURVIVED).* I was not planning to start reminding people about what horrors happened on both sides in World War II. As a Jew in America most of my relatives whom I grew up with were safe in those years, and only those (including my father) were old enough to serve in the war - but even the ones who fought managed to survive (though one had some bad experiences in island invasions in the Pacific).

Secondly, let's return to 2016 rather than 1933 - 1945. It's modern terrorism we are facing here. Otherwise, if we are going back we can start with earlier warfares (anyone for the Thirty Years War?**).

[*To put it in a kind of focus, Captain Georg von Trapp was the sixth ranking submarine ace of World War I (from Austro-Hungary) who happened to survive that war in those early u-boats. His remarkable success rate is the reason he was wanted (in 1938 after the Anschluss) by the Germans to be part of their submarine program - which is the basis (in part) for the plot of the story of the von Trapp Family Singers, which we remember as the story of the musical "The Sound of Music".]

[**Please, nobody say that their tenth great grandsire perished in the massacre at Magdeberg, or that they were glad that General von Wallenstein was assassinated!]

Jeff

No problem, Jeff. But even though we are facing modern terrorism, the psychology remains the same. The generalisations also remain the same. The assassination of one German diplomat by a single Jewish boy was enough to justify, to the nazis, the dreaded Kristallnacht. "See? That is what they are like! We are not safe while these Jews have free rein." And indeed, during Hitler's reign, Jews were certainly much more likely to commit acts of sabotage and assassination than they would otherwise have been - and with good cause. The nazis had no love for the Jews, so how could they expect the Jews to have any love for them? Nevertheless, the nazis expected the Jews to just suck it up and toe the line.

The German treatment of the Jews caused many Jews to leave Germany (although, ironically, the Germans didn't make that easy for them, either), which naturally meant they went to other countries instead. But other countries didn't want them, either, in a similar predicament we are familiar with today. People worried about there not being enough jobs to go around, that crime would increase, etc. The voyage of the MS St Louis exemplifies the international reluctance to accept Jewish refugees.

Also, while partisan activity happened chiefly in the occupied nations, it stands to reason that if the Germans hadn't attacked and occupied to begin with, there would be no partisan activity. It also stands to reason that if, say, French or Russians were allowed to travel freely into Germany, there would have been such attack in Germany as well - presumably with even greater collateral damage than in the resistance fighters' home countries. Where the Russians were concerned, the Germans reasoned that these attacks stemmed from the Russians' savage nature - and that harsh retaliation was the only language they understood.

The parallels to modern conflict seem obvious. People have a natural sense of justice, and if they feel mistreated they are eventually going to lash out - any way they can. And everybody - everybody - feels they are siding with the good guys. Conflict is not about right vs. wrong, but right vs. right.

[Karl]

You obviously don't know who she is because if you did you wouldn't be such a ******* nob!

That doesn't even make any sense. And do stop double posting, please.

Btw "Karl" put your money where your mouth is. Where do you live?

How would revealing my location be "putting my money where my mouth is?" I never asked for your location, nor do I have the faintest interest. Nor have I ever said I would tell you, so what exactly is your malfunction here?

If you knew the teachings of Jesus, other than just as an injection, You might just have a modicum of intelligence and morals, but apparently not, since you are too busy disparaging the most charitable, protecting and welcoming country this universe has ever seen.

Besides that being the most ridiculous thing I have heard all year, how do you feel you stack up to Jesus's teachings? In all honesty?

[Abby Normal]

That doesn't even make any sense. And do stop double posting, please.



How would revealing my location be "putting my money where my mouth is?" I never asked for your location, nor do I have the faintest interest. Nor have I ever said I would tell you, so what exactly is your malfunction here?



Besides that being the most ridiculous thing I have heard all year, how do you feel you stack up to Jesus's teachings? In all honesty?

ugh

That doesn't even make any sense. And do stop double posting, please.

of course it does not make sense to you, we've already established that.
and btw-I didn't double post. (FYI-do yourself a favor and google Kayla Mueller)

How would revealing my location be "putting my money where my mouth is?" I never asked for your location, nor do I have the faintest interest. Nor have I ever said I would tell you, so what exactly is your malfunction here?

I'm just trying to gain some perspective here of where you are from because with a name like Karl and your ramblings about Germany I just assumed you are some bitter Euro-Weenie. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Besides that being the most ridiculous thing I have heard all year, how do you feel you stack up to Jesus's teachings? In all honesty?

I don't and never said I did. Please go back and read what I wrote again.
(PS-BTW-what you responded to wasn't even addressed to you Einstein).

oh, and of course you find it the most ridiculous thing you've read all year, because gauging from your intellect, everything you read is the most ridiculous thing you've read all year.

[Abby Normal]

No problem, Jeff. But even though we are facing modern terrorism, the psychology remains the same. The generalisations also remain the same. The assassination of one German diplomat by a single Jewish boy was enough to justify, to the nazis, the dreaded Kristallnacht. "See? That is what they are like! We are not safe while these Jews have free rein." And indeed, during Hitler's reign, Jews were certainly much more likely to commit acts of sabotage and assassination than they would otherwise have been - and with good cause. The nazis had no love for the Jews, so how could they expect the Jews to have any love for them? Nevertheless, the nazis expected the Jews to just suck it up and toe the line.

The German treatment of the Jews caused many Jews to leave Germany (although, ironically, the Germans didn't make that easy for them, either), which naturally meant they went to other countries instead. But other countries didn't want them, either, in a similar predicament we are familiar with today. People worried about there not being enough jobs to go around, that crime would increase, etc. The voyage of the MS St Louis exemplifies the international reluctance to accept Jewish refugees.

Also, while partisan activity happened chiefly in the occupied nations, it stands to reason that if the Germans hadn't attacked and occupied to begin with, there would be no partisan activity. It also stands to reason that if, say, French or Russians were allowed to travel freely into Germany, there would have been such attack in Germany as well - presumably with even greater collateral damage than in the resistance fighters' home countries. Where the Russians were concerned, the Germans reasoned that these attacks stemmed from the Russians' savage nature - and that harsh retaliation was the only language they understood.

The parallels to modern conflict seem obvious. People have a natural sense of justice, and if they feel mistreated they are eventually going to lash out - any way they can. And everybody - everybody - feels they are siding with the good guys. Conflict is not about right vs. wrong, but right vs. right.

LOL. Someone please put a bullet in my brain right now.


No, it is about right vs. wrong.


you truly are an idiot and I'm done with you, whatever you are.

[Svensson]

I'm just trying to gain some perspective here of where you are from because with a name like Karl and your ramblings about Germany I just assumed you are some bitter Euro-Weenie. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Corrected as the German Euro-Weenie on here would be me.