EU Vote

[Robert]

If you read the pro-remain journalists, you find that their idea of a typical leaver contains such words as :

racist
xenophobic
less educated
ignorant
left behind
narrow
bigoted

They on the other hand are

educated
tolerant
inclusive
progressive
rational

The poor dears wonder why people don't like them.

[Errata]

Let me tell you something Errata.

This country has an outstanding record with immigration. A lot of people have come here fleeing persecution in their home country - down the centuries.

What's happening today is that we have politicians in Europe and Britain who are inviting people to come here. Not a problem. But, the problem is they're placing an inordinate amount of people in places of high deprivation by English standards thereby adding to the burden on public services and the frustration in that local area.

They're not placing immigrants in rural, affluent areas; nor near the liberal city dweller types who think they're with the poor but wouldn't known poverty if it kicked them upside down. No, what they're doing is placing immigrants in places that are poor by English standards.

In the event a fair share was taken around the country then you wouldn't hear a peep out of people, but these politicians, of both European and British variety, are taking us for a ride. We're the ones who are expected to be 'tolerant' in areas of high deprivation, while they talk a good game but would run a mile if they lived anywhere near someone lacking a white face.

And, that's what this vote was. It was more of a vote against the British Government than anything. It just so happened that the EU are associated with them. It was a big **** you to all politicians who talk about equality and tolerance with our money.

We call it "Not In My Backyard" policy. Where those who can afford influence make sure that all of the things they want get hidden somewhere out of their sight. It's true from landfills to babies.

[Pcdunn]

I think about the only things I truly understood in this thread were the wonderful "Prisoner" references (classic Sixties version, of course), and I will admit I've paid very little attention to the should-the-UK-go-or should-they-stay-in-the-EU controversy. (Is is properly the EU or the EEU?)

All the same, I think this is a historic decision. Whether it was because of anger at the current government/administration, out of nostalgia for the days when "the sun never set on the British Empire", due to polarizing social and political views and problems, etc., trust me, it will have consequences.
I hope they are good ones, and wish you all luck.

We're not much better off over here in the USA-- in fact we're got similar problems, just with a different accent (and guns, always guns), so I understand how you all feel (at least I'm getting an inkling...)

[Fleetwood Mac]

I think about the only things I truly understood in this thread were the wonderful "Prisoner" references (classic Sixties version, of course), and I will admit I've paid very little attention to the should-the-UK-go-or should-they-stay-in-the-EU controversy. (Is is properly the EU or the EEU?)

All the same, I think this is a historic decision. Whether it was because of anger at the current government/administration, out of nostalgia for the days when "the sun never set on the British Empire", due to polarizing social and political views and problems, etc., trust me, it will have consequences.
I hope they are good ones, and wish you all luck.

We're not much better off over here in the USA-- in fact we're got similar problems, just with a different accent (and guns, always guns), so I understand how you all feel (at least I'm getting an inkling...)

You may be surprised, PCDunn, in terms of what English people are really like.

No one I know is interested in the British Empire. In fact, I'm scratching my head thinking when was the last time I heard an English person mention the words British Empire? I genuinely can't remember hearing those words. You'll find it mentioned more by foreigners on message boards. Not that it's anything to do with a sense of guilt, more that it's just irrelevant.

But, one thing that is important to English people is our deep love of the countryside. If you asked me what binds us together as a nation the only thing that would come to my mind is a love of the countryside. This was an important issue in the immigration debate. For many, it didn't matter where people came from, our green land was been eroded. And, if you're not convinced with what I'm saying have a google of the amount of people who are members of organisations concerned with preserving the countryside in this country. You would be amazed at the high percentage.

[Karl]

If you read the pro-remain journalists, you find that their idea of a typical leaver contains such words as :

racist
xenophobic
less educated
ignorant
left behind
narrow
bigoted

They on the other hand are

educated
tolerant
inclusive
progressive
rational

The poor dears wonder why people don't like them.

The other side does not resort to generalisations of the same calibre?

[Robert]

Can you give some examples, Karl?

[Pcdunn]

Hello, Fleetwood, thank you for the response and information.

History should never be irrelevant, but then again-- history won't pay the bills in an uncertain Now.

I may be a foreigner, but many of my ancestors hailed from the U.K., and Ireland. I have read about the English love of nature, the countryside, dogs and horses, gardens, and scenic landscapes. I think it is great people want to preserve it, and will definitely research this topic. You can never spend too much time learning new things, in my opinion.

[Pcdunn]

Duplicated.

[Wickerman]

If you read the pro-remain journalists, you find that their idea of a typical leaver contains such words as :

racist
xenophobic
less educated
ignorant
left behind
narrow
bigoted

They on the other hand are

educated
tolerant
inclusive
progressive
rational

The poor dears wonder why people don't like them.

And so the rigid 'class' system soldiers on...

[ChrisGeorge]

Live scene from the Channel Tunnel:

[Wickerman]

Hi F.M.

Your post No. 165 above, well said.

No one I know is interested in the British Empire. In fact, I'm scratching my head thinking when was the last time I heard an English person mention the words British Empire? I genuinely can't remember hearing those words.

By shear coincidence my wife's cousin, Martin Ainscough, was just awarded the C.B.E. - which made me smile, "which Empire is this?" - I thought to myself.

[Robert]

Well, it's like 'Knights of the Bath.' These days it would be more modern to have 'Knights of the Shower' but there you go.

[Scott Nelson]

Have a heart Betty, I'm not fireproof.

[Tom_Wescott]

Very interesting thread.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[John Wheat]

Yeah Brexit is all a big **** you to the Government and a big **** you to the privileged. Except the mega rich will benefit as usual and the ordinary man will get screwed over as usual.