A6 Rebooted

[Sherlock Houses]

Ok, using a different iPad Iāll try and correct these confounding characters.

There is ānoā freedom of information. There is information available, but only if they choose to make it so.

Anything pertaining to the A6 killing is A very hot potato, thatās why itās mostly locked away for 75 yrs.

Itās got nothing to do with āprotecting the innocentā.

I can't disagree with anything you say here, Moste. We just don't live in a free society and never have done, the pompous 'ruling elite' have seen to that. The status quo must be maintained.
Joe Public is not classified as being a member of the privileged few club who decide amongst themselves what important information can or cannot be disclosed.
All in the interests of 'national security' you must understand, bla bla bla etc., LOL, and to the hell with truth and justice.

[moste]

Exactly

[djw]

Would the Matthews Report be contained within the court Appeal documents held by National Archives?

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=%22james%20hanratty%22&_dss=range&_sd=1995&_ed=2000&_ps=60

e.g. one box example is

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C17023310

[moste]

Norma Buddle line of country, does she not mention it in your book

[Sherlock Houses]

Norma Buddle line of country, does she not mention it in your book

???? Don't quite get what you've posted here, Moste.

[moste]

Remember Natalie ,one of her favourite subjects was the Mathews investigation and report ,and the obvious conspiracy of why it was stifled. I fear weā€™re wasting our time here.Mathews will take all he knows to the grave.

[djw]

The Times reference James Hanratty as a miscarriage of justice (among others) today

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scandal-over-miscarriages-of-justice-rf0t0ht2b

A leading criminal barrister has called on the government to end the “scandal” that has denied compensation to victims of miscarriages of justice for almost a decade, saying that they “effectively have to prove their innocence” to receive a payout.
Henry Blaxland KC, from Garden Court Chambers in London, has acted in many prominent miscarriage of justice cases, including those involving Sam Hallam, Derek Bentley, James Hanratty, and the Bridgewater Four.
Blaxland, who is representing Hallam in his challenge to the present position in the European Court of Human Rights, said in a meeting in parliament last week that several people who should get compensation had been denied it.

[Sherlock Houses]

Four weeks ago, under the title "Cold Case Forensics" ITV screened a documentary [the first of several murder cases] about the 1992 murder of Rachel Nickell on Wimbledon Common. The original police suspect, Colin Stagg was charged with the murder and brought to trial in 1994. Stagg was proven completely innocent and the case against him completely collapsed.

In 2002 world-leading forensic scientist Dr.Angela Gallop and her team were brought in to try and find out the identity of the real killer, who turned out to be one Robert Napper.

Here is a transcription of an important part of that documentary.....

The process of taking tapings, where adhesive tape is applied to the skin to collect small items of evidence, had been used on Rachel's body. Angela asked her team to take a closer look at these........"When I carried out a review of the DNA results that had been previously generated from the body tapings I found that no DNA profile had been obtained from them." [Andrew McDonald, DNA Lead Scientist, Cellmark].

Not only was there no DNA from any attacker there was no trace of Rachel's own DNA, despite the fact that the tapings had been taken from intimate areas of her own skin. "The fact that we obtained no profile at all was an unexpected finding to me." [Andrew McDonald].

"When we were faced with a sample that hadn't given any DNA results at all, when it really should at least have given the result from Rachel herself in this intimate part of her body, then we knew that something was very wrong because you can't have that sort of finding without finding a proper explanation for it. You can't have a loose end like that. Forensic scientists don't like loose ends." [Dr. Angela Gallop].

So what had gone wrong, and could it have caused the police to miss the real killer ?. A decade after Rachel Nickell was brutally murdered on Wimbledon Common, forensic scientist Dr. Angela Gallop was on the hunt for the killer. Angela and lead examiner, April Robson, had gone back to the original forensic test results and got a surprise. Previous reports showed that tapings taken from Rachel's body had found no DNA at all - not even Rachel's own. "This immedately set off a concern in our minds because what they were looking for was these tiny traces of the offender, but also captured on the taping would have been a lot of skin flakes from Rachel herself, and they certainly should have got a DNA result from Rachel's DNA, but in the event they got absolutely nothing. So this told us that there was very likely to be something wrong with the technique they used or the way in which they used it." [Dr Angela Gallop].

The original tests on the tapings from Rachel's body had been carried out using the best option available to scientists at the time. This was a DNA profiling test called Low Copy Number or LCN. But more recent prominent cases have revealed LCN to be a technique with severe limitations. In 2007, after three-year old Madeleine McCann went missing while on holiday in the Algarve an LCN test appeared to show traces of Madeleine's DNA in the boot of a hire car used by her parents, Gerry and Kate. The discovery meant the couple spent some time under the suspicion of the police and the international media. But the LCN test result had been unreliable. The test had found components which were part of Madeleine's DNA, but these were far from unique to her. In fact they were so common they were even shared by some of the forensic scientists brought in to review the evidence.The LCN test could clearly lead to suspicion falling upon innocent people. But could it also lead to a murderer remaining free ?

Back in 2002, as they began their review of the Rachel Nickell case, Angela Gallop and her team were already suspicious of the LCN test. They wondered if the technique used by the original investigation had "swamped" the DNA, so that no traces had been found. "We repeated some of this work on the tiny amount of extract that was left from these tapings that the original scientists had made. And we discovered the same thing, that if you use the most sensitive technique then you get absolutely nothing. But if you start diluting the amount of DNA that you're using then you started to get results." [Dr. Angela Gallop].

Angela and her team abandoned the LCN method and retested the tapings using the standard technique. For the first time two DNA profiles began to show up.

[Sherlock Houses]

Episodes 2 and 3 of "Cold Case Forensics" are available for viewing on ITVX for anyone interested. They concern the murders of Lynette White and Stephen Lawrence.

[djw]

A copy of the Roger Matthews report has been located at the Ministry of Justice but they have exercised an exemption from disclosure according to this FOI request https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...opolitan_polic

[Limehouse]

Hello A6 contributors,

It has been a long time since I contributed to these boards, and this thread in particular, but it is nice to see the debate is still bubbling along.

Nothing has changed concerning my view of this case. I am convinced Hanratty was innocent and the real killer was an unknown man who disappeared into the mists of time. The case remains complex and intriguing, almost as if it jumped out of the pages of a notable crime novelist.

I will try to visit the site more often and perhaps catch up with more of the current debate. Meanwhile, take care all.

[ansonman]

A copy of the Roger Matthews report has been located at the Ministry of Justice but they have exercised an exemption from disclosure according to this FOI request https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...opolitan_polic

Well done in finding it. The very fact that the report remains under wraps says it all.

[cobalt]

Limehouse has used the word ‘complex’ to describe the A6 Case and that has become a well known euphemism issued by police when they are faffing around and haven’t got a clue what is going on. We often hear that ‘The inquiry is fast moving, complex and ongoing.’ But in the A6 Case it is entirely appropriate in terms of motive.

Consider the problems the police had in the A6 Case. It seemed to be a simple case of robbery, albeit at gunpoint which was unusual for the time. Except the goods were returned to the victims. Or was it ‘carjacking?’ Not quite, since the car was still in the field for some time after the initial approach. Were we now talking kidnapping? Yes, but a kidnapping surely has some intended aim to be achieved. Yet this kidnapper stopped for petrol, cigarettes and ‘a kip.’ The crime then degenerated into murder and rape. Five possible motives, none of which seemed to have any clear purpose.

Purely for the purposes of hypothesis, what if the investigating police had not been able to obtain testimony from Valerie Storie, the victim who against all odds survived the ordeal? What would they have made of a car last seen in Taplow turning up near a London tube station, with the occupants lying dead 25 miles away in a lay-by at Deadman’s Hill? Where would you start?

[moste]

Where would you start indeed. Cobalt ,You do have a knack of putting things into prospective.

Hi, Julie good to see you back.

[moste]

Iā€™ve been really immersed in the Nicola Bulley case of late. The coroner report due out late June , I fear and I have warned folks to be ready for a Hanratty type sham. Where the whole **** and caboodle will be swept under the carpet.