Alphon--The A6 "hit man"?

[jimornot?]

Hi Norma,

That must be the prize quote on a thread entitled "Alphon--The A6 "hit man"?". Quite ironic and revealing don't you think?

KR,
Vic.

Hi Vic

good to see you back

viv

[Victor]

Now you really are talking gobbledegook Victor! Ha Ha!

Hi Norma,

Are you serious? A thread devoted to proving Alphon guilty quoting Sherrard saying alibis don't have to be proved!!!!

Alphon was in the Vienna when Hanratty was committing the crime - his alibi is a million times better than Hanratty's and you've provided the clinching quote.

Cheers,
Vic.

[Victor]

Hi Vic

good to see you back

viv

Thanksi Viv,

I never go away, I'm in the process of moving so have to spend time away. Burgess Hill next week - Arrrgh!

KR,
Vic.

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Norma,

Are you serious? A thread devoted to proving Alphon guilty quoting Sherrard saying alibis don't have to be proved!!!!

Alphon was in the Vienna when Hanratty was committing the crime - his alibi is a million times better than Hanratty's and you've provided the clinching quote.

Cheers,
Vic.

Vic,
Please read what I write and not what you want to "think" I write.
It was Judge Justice Gorman---[not Michael Sherrard] who said "He does not have to prove his alibi etc" .He was desperately trying to get the Bedford jury to understand the case .They were indeed dim---as others have pointed out.

[Victor]

It was Judge Justice Gorman---[not Michael Sherrard] who said "He does not have to prove his alibi etc" .He was desperately trying to get the Bedford jury to understand the case .They were indeed dim---as others have pointed out.

Hi Norma,

Yes I spotted that, but it doesn't alter the thrust of my argument and you've not replied to that, only pointed out a minor issue, so are you going to respond to the argument or simply resort to pedantry to obfuscate your position?

KR,
Vic.

[Natalie Severn]

Alphon was in the Vienna when Hanratty was committing the crime - his alibi is a million times better than Hanratty's and you've provided the clinching quote.

Cheers,
Vic.

According to which of gangster Nudds"s statements Vic?---haha! He changed them several times --one time Alphon is in room 24
another time Hanratty is in room 24 then its Alphon --- in room 24 at lunch hour on the day of the murder---then in room 6 later on with a note pinned to door 24 for him to know he has been moved to room 6 ? This is evidence???--

Be careful Vic.Michael Sherrard is a QC and is on record taking about the "number of shady characters who turned up as witnesses,having suddenly become good citizens,ready to deal with the police in a way hitherto had not been their custom"
"Who would have thought",he asks,"that the police would keep "on ice" for 31 years, Valerie Storie"s knickers and the handkerchief that wrapped the gun?"
Good question---and why would they , might one ask?
Night Vic,
Best Norma

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Norma,

Yes I spotted that, but it doesn't alter the thrust of my argument and you've not replied to that, only pointed out a minor issue, so are you going to respond to the argument or simply resort to pedantry to obfuscate your position?

KR,
Vic.

What nonsense you do talk sometimes.--- you did a whoopsy Vic!---you know you did! Only a someone not paying attention would make a silly mistake like that about the presiding judge in the trial!

[Victor]

According to which of gangster Nudds"s statements Vic?---haha! He changed them several times

Hi Norma,

"Two out of 3 ain't bad" Get over it.

--one time Alphon is in room 24

One denied statement puts Alphon in room 24. Two (one denied and reaffirmed) don't.

another time Hanratty is in room 24

even Hanratty himself puts him in room 24 Loads of extra reliable statements.

then its Alphon --- in room 24 at lunch hour on the day of the murder

Now I want your evidence for this because it's blatantly false. Juliana Galves and others put Alphon in room 6.

---then in room 6 later on with a note pinned to door 24 for him to know he has been moved to room 6 ?

Now here's you relying on "gangster" statements.

Be careful Vic.Michael Sherrard is a QC and is on record

Having attended a lecture and conversed with Michael Mansfield, I'm absolutely confident of my position here.

"Who would have thought",he asks,"that the police would keep "on ice" for 31 years, Valerie Storie"s knickers and the handkerchief that wrapped the gun?"
Good question---and why would they might one ask?

Pathetic question.

Some facts:
1. The police did not intentional keep the samples.
2. They were not "on ice".
3. It wasn't the entire knickers, or even the major part taken to the trial, it was a small fragment.
4. The hankerchief was found seperately.

Now phrase that question in a coherent, consistant way, and not in a way that'll sell more copies of an intentionally "sexed-up" memoir.

KR,
Vic.

[Victor]

What nonsense you do talk sometimes.--- you did a whoopsy Vic!---you know you did! Only a someone not paying attention would make a silly mistake like that about the presiding judge in the trial!

Still not answering the question, then.

A thread devoted to proving Alphon guilty quoting Gorman [not Sherrard] saying alibis don't have to be proved!!!!

Alphon was in the Vienna when Hanratty was committing the crime - his alibi is a million times better than Hanratty's and you've provided the clinching quote.


Again!

KR,
Vic.

[Natalie Severn]

Victor,

When you make a statement like this you are clearly not being serious:

Loads of extra reliable statements.

Who from gangster Nudds?Who else?
Yes, Juliana says that " according to the hotel record book, Durrant was in room 6 .Not worth a dime for anyone with the remotest knowledge of the fiddling that went on with witness statements!

Now here's you relying on "gangster" statements.

No just "recording" what gangster Nudds said in one of the several contradicted statements!

Having attended a lecture and conversed with Michael Mansfield, I'm absolutely confident of my position here.

Big deal! Was this back in 2002 "ish?

Best
Norma

[Natalie Severn]

Question posed by Michael Sherrard QC in his autobiography ,"Wigs and Wherefores" 2009-page 104.

"Who would have thought",he asks,"that the police would keep "on ice" for 31 years, Valerie Storie"s knickers and the handkerchief that wrapped the gun?"

No "pathetic question" as you put it -but clearly its subtlety is lost on you!

[Natalie Severn]

Still not answering the question, then.

A thread devoted to proving Alphon guilty quoting Gorman [not Sherrard] saying alibis don't have to be proved!!!!

Alphon was in the Vienna when Hanratty was committing the crime - his alibi is a million times better than Hanratty's and you've provided the clinching quote.


Again!

KR,
Vic.

And who ,precisely, gave him this alibi?
Juliana Galves could not have done so because she said she never saw him at any time in the Vienna Hotel until 11.45 am on the day he left ie on 23rd August .
Statement by Juliana Galves of 13th September 1961[ie her second statement which "rectified " her first statement]:

"The only time I saw this man[Alphon] about whom I have been asked by police , was about 11.45 am on the day he left....I did not see Durrant [Alphon] on his arrival .According to the register,he stayed for one night on 22 August"

Nudds made "3 controversial statements" about rooms .
Did he also tamper with the hotel records ?

Se following exchange from trial:

Sherrard: Let me ask you at once,The Glickbergs [Nudds and Florence Snell]had not access to the hotel records,so far asyou know,from 11 September 1961 when they were dismissed[ for theft].....They had no access tothe records,which would have enabled them to tamper with them?

AcottNo

Sherrard They were always from 11 September, in your possession?
Acott Yes [Trial X,26]

Superintendent Acott"s testimony appears to directly contradict a hitherto undisclosed statement by his colleague Det Segt,Kenneth Oxford:
"On 20 September 1961 I went to the Vienna Hotel Sutherland Road,Maida Vale,W9, when Det Supt.Acott interviewed the manageress Mrs Galves.I took possession of the Hotel Diary, the Letting Sheet, sheets from the hotel register and a specimen receipt card.

[Statement of Det Sgt Kenneth Oxford of 28th September 1961.]

Can you deal with this specific inconsistency please Victor.

[Victor]

Who from gangster Nudds?Who else?
Yes, Juliana says that " according to the hotel record book, Durrant was in room 6. Not worth a dime for anyone with the remotest knowledge of the fiddling that went on with witness statements!

Hi Norma,

Juliana Galves and Hanratty himself put him in room 24, hence that is not contested. The only evidence Alphon was in room 24 comes from "gangster" Nudds 2nd statement which he retracted.

No just "recording" what gangster Nudds said in one of the several contradicted statements!

As I said, you are relying on Nudds retracted statement to put Alphon in room 24.

Big deal! Was this back in 2002 "ish?

Nope early 90s.

KR,
Vic.

[Victor]

Question posed by Michael Sherrard QC in his autobiography ,"Wigs and Wherefores" 2009-page 104.

"Who would have thought",he asks,"that the police would keep "on ice" for 31 years, Valerie Storie"s knickers and the handkerchief that wrapped the gun?"

No "pathetic question" as you put it -but clearly its subtlety is lost on you!

Hi Norma,

But it's a rhetorical, hypothetical and full of errors. I call that pathetic not subtle.

KR,
Vic.

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Norma,

But it's a rhetorical, hypothetical and full of errors. I call that pathetic not subtle.

KR,
Vic.

What errors?
Sure of yourself,Vic, for a "layman" to be able to be so glibly critical of Michael Sherrard QC - about whom Lord Denning said---- before whom Sherrard appeared in trials and appeals,--- that he regarded him as ,"the best of advocates"
N