Why did Hanratty do it?

[Derrick]

Hi Rob
That would surely mean that Hanratty went back to the Vienna to plant cartridge cases to further incriminate himself.

Derrick

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Rob
That would surely mean that Hanratty went back to the Vienna to plant cartridge cases to further incriminate himself.

Derrick

And he must have had to make sure he wrapped all this in a hanky initialled JH to ensure it all pointed squarely towards him as the killer! ! [ so very strange after going to such lengths not to leave a single fingerprint anywhere !]
Norma

[Limehouse]

I think the point about the lack of finger prints anywhere in the car - on the gun or on the cartidges is a very important point. No finger prints of any sort. Not Hanratty's or anyone elses. If Hanratty was careless enough to leave his spent cartridges in his hotel room - why was he careful enough to wipe them of prints?

Likewise - if VS took her knickers off before being raped (and her testimony states that she did) why was there no semen anywhere in the car?

The rapist took his glove off when he raped VS - why no finger prints anywhere on the seats or anywhere else in the car?

And surely - if Hanratty had told France (as he testified he did) that the back seat of a bus was a good hiding place - he would then go and do just that with a murder weapon having murdered a man and raped a woman?

[Stewart P Evans]

Why?

Why doesn't someone run off and start a Hanratty Casebook somewhere?

[jimornot?]

Why doesn't someone run off and start a Hanratty Casebook somewhere?

what do you mean by this stewart?

Viv

[jimornot?]

I think the point about the lack of finger prints anywhere in the car - on the gun or on the cartidges is a very important point. No finger prints of any sort. Not Hanratty's or anyone elses. If Hanratty was careless enough to leave his spent cartridges in his hotel room - why was he careful enough to wipe them of prints?

Likewise - if VS took her knickers off before being raped (and her testimony states that she did) why was there no semen anywhere in the car?

The rapist took his glove off when he raped VS - why no finger prints anywhere on the seats or anywhere else in the car?

And surely - if Hanratty had told France (as he testified he did) that the back seat of a bus was a good hiding place - he would then go and do just that with a murder weapon having murdered a man and raped a woman?

hi Julie

good points - but no good answers from me I'm afraid. I suppose it is possible that the car was wiped clean but the carelessness regarding the cartridges contradict this. It could be they were placed there to ensure hanratty was (further) implicated eg by France and notnecessarily as part of a wider plot but out of disgust/anger, who knows?

I agree too about the bus - just too neat. Hanratty might have panicked, might have become confused. Not sure why anyone placing the gun bothered to include all the cartridges as well - could indicate desperation to get rid of everything connected to the crime and maybe after the intial calmness a load of panic stricken measures. But odd anyway you cut it

atb

viv

[richardnunweek]

Hi ,
Must agree with Stewart, although the A6 incident has lots of questions to answer , and many opinions, it would be far better on a Casebook of its own, as personally speaking I feel that the subject of 'Jack'. is somewhat distracted by its presence.
I should add. that it is still a fascinating case, but this after all. is 'Casebook' .. 'Jack the Ripper' .
Regards Richard.

[Errata]

Is this A6 murder debate a British thing? Like Americans and the Lindbergh baby or whatnot?

[Limehouse]

Hi ,
Must agree with Stewart, although the A6 incident has lots of questions to answer , and many opinions, it would be far better on a Casebook of its own, as personally speaking I feel that the subject of 'Jack'. is somewhat distracted by its presence.
I should add. that it is still a fascinating case, but this after all. is 'Casebook' .. 'Jack the Ripper' .
Regards Richard.

That's fair enough Richard - but this main thread is for 'other mysteries' and there are other non-Jack-related mysteries on this main thread too so would that mean they should have a casebook of their own?

[Stewart P Evans]

A6 Murder

That's fair enough Richard - but this main thread is for 'other mysteries' and there are other non-Jack-related mysteries on this main thread too so would that mean they should have a casebook of their own?

The Hanratty case (I remember it well) is of great interest to me. However, a mere look at the sheer number of posts, on several threads, on the subject of the A6 murder will show that you cannot begin to compare it with the other 'other mysteries' threads that have been started in the past.

At the end of the day the A6 murder does not have any relevance to the Ripper case in type of murder, period or location and really does not warrant the huge amount of space, interesting though it may be, it has consumed on these boards. Hence my suggestion that one of the A6 fanatics might like to do a Stephen Ryder and start a Casebook-style forum all of its own for that fascinating case.

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Stewart,
I am sorry you feel this way about the A6 thread..
Does this mean you would like it to be closed down altogether on this site and JtR casebook should be reserved for Ripper fanatics only?
Best Wishes
Norma

[Stewart P Evans]

'The A6 Thread'

Hi Stewart,
I am sorry you feel this way about the A6 thread..
Does this mean you would like it to be closed down altogether on this site and JtR casebook should be reserved for Ripper fanatics only?
Best Wishes
Norma

It's not 'the A6 thread' - it's A6 threads (plural). And look at the huge number of posts.

I am not saying that I 'would like it (them) to be closed down altogether on this site', I was merely commenting on the vastness af the posting on this subject. And no, I have never suggested that the Casebook should be 'reserved for Ripper fanatics only'.

The running of this site is absolutely nothing to do with me and I have absolutely no influence on how it is managed. As I said, I was merely making a personal observation - and surely I'm allowed to do that?

Do you not think that a Casebook style forum on the A6 murder and relevant issues would be a good idea?

[Natalie Severn]

Thankyou Stewart,
I am clearer now about why you feel the A6 may need a site of its own due to the large number of posts etc.
Myself, I prefer to post on Stephen"s site because I know little about the creation of a site and am currently trying to get my paintings together for an exhibition and what with gathering resource material for that and applying myself to my painting I feel I already get distracted enough by what is happening on the A6 threads and various other threads, without taking on anymore.But what do others think?Maybe someone has another idea on how to deal with this problem that has arisen for yourself and some others here,
Kindest Regards,
Norma

[Stewart P Evans]

Hanratty Posters

Thankyou Stewart,
I am clearer now about why you feel the A6 may need a site of its own due to the large number of posts etc.
Myself, I prefer to post on Stephen"s site because I know little about the creation of a site and am currently trying to get my paintings together for an exhibition and what with gathering resource material for that and applying myself to my painting I feel I already get distracted enough by what is happening on the A6 threads and various other threads, without taking on anymore.But what do others think?Maybe someone has another idea on how to deal with this problem that has arisen for yourself and some others here,
Kindest Regards,
Norma

I don't consider it a 'problem' - I merely thought it worthy of a mention. I didn't suggest, or think, for a moment that you should start a forum. However there appear to be some prolific Hanratty posters here who have a vast knowledge and store of information on the case - to the degree that I thought that one of them may have considered starting a dedicated site.

[Natalie Severn]

I don't consider it a 'problem' - I merely thought it worthy of a mention. I didn't suggest, or think, for a moment that you should start a forum. However there appear to be some prolific Hanratty posters here who have a vast knowledge and store of information on the case - to the degree that I thought that one of them may have considered starting a dedicated site.

Fine Stewart.Understood,
Norma