Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Cindy James?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Cindy James?

    I was wondering what some of our resident sleuths make of this case:

    Here's some information taken from this wiki page:

    In June 1989, the quiet Vancouver, British Columbia, suburb of Richmond was shocked when a body was found lying in the yard of an abandoned house. The victim was a forty-four-year-old nurse named Cindy James. She had been drugged and strangled, and her hands and feet had been tied behind her back. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police believed that her death was either an accident or suicide.

    In the seven years before she died, Cindy reported nearly a hundred incidents of harassment beginning four months after she left her husband. Five were violent physical attacks while others were whispering to silent phone calls. This got worse after she involved the police. At night, she heard prowlers. Her porch lights were smashed and her phone lines severed. According to her friend, Agnes Woodcock, she said bizarre notes began to appear on her doorstep. Someone was trying to scare her to death. She became reluctant and frightened to give details. Over time, the police began to doubt her stories. One night, Agnes dropped by Cindy's house for a visit and knocked on the door. There was no answer, so she assumed she was taking her bath. As she investigated, she came across her outside, crouched down with a nylon stocking tied tightly around her neck. She'd gone out to the garage to get a box and someone had grabbed her from behind. All she saw were white sneakers.

    Cindy moved to a new house, painted her car, and changed her last name. She also hired a private investigator, Ozzie Kaban. The police continued their investigation and questioned her several times. Ozzie later reported that she wouldn't tell them the entire story. She would be evasive, would withhold information, and simply would not act as a normal victim would act. Her mother, Tillie Hack, thinks the reason for her daughter's reluctance was that her attacker had threatened her sister and family. By naming him, her family would be killed.

    One night, Ozzie Kaban heard strange sounds coming over a two-way radio he had given Cindy and went straight to her house. He went around the house and found it was locked. Looking through a window, he found her lying on the floor with a paring knife through her hand. She was taken to the hospital where she later recalled being attacked and a needle going into her arm. Police never took fingerprints from a suspect, and there was no independent corroboration. Cindy saw this person sometimes accompanied by one or two others, or sometimes she said there were two or three people, but police could never find a suspect.

    The threatening phone calls continued, but they were too short to trace. There were never ones when the police had 24-hour surveillance on her house for days on end with up to fourteen officers, but when surveillance was off her house, another incident would happen. As police became skeptical of the harassment, her parents believed her attacker was staying away to make them suspicious of her. Eventually, she was found dazed and semiconscious lying in a ditch six miles from her home. She was wearing a man's work boot and glove, and suffering from hypothermia. Cuts and bruises covered her body. A black nylon stocking had been tied tightly around her neck. She had no memory of what happened. Agnes Woodcock and her husband, Tom, stayed with her, and one night heard noises and awoke to the basement in flames and the phone dead. Tom left the residence to alert the neighbors. He saw a man at the curb and asked him to call the fire department. Instead, he simply ran off down the street. The police suspected that Cindy had staged the incident. They found no dust or fingerprints disturbed on the outside of the windowsill. The fire was set inside the home. In order to set it, it was thought, the perpetrator would've needed to climb through this specific window. It was also considered odd that Cindy still freely walked her dog during the attacks. Her doctor committed her to a local psychiatric ward, believing she was becoming suicidal. Ten weeks later, she left the hospital. Her father, Otto Hack, said that she finally admitted to her family and friends that she knew more than she was saying and would go after her perpetrator herself.

    On May 25, 1989, six years and seven months after the first threatening phone call, Cindy disappeared. On the same day, her car was found in a neighborhood parking lot. Inside were groceries and a wrapped gift. There was blood on the driver’s side door and items from her wallet were under the car.

    Two weeks later, her body was found at the abandoned house. It looked like she had been brutally murdered. Her hands and feet were bound together behind her back. A black nylon stocking was tied tightly around her neck. Yet, an autopsy revealed that she died from an overdose of morphine and other drugs. Police concluded that she had committed suicide. Otto didn't believe she would have been able to stage the scene, but others believed it was possible.

    In Vancouver, the coroner ruled that her death was not suicide, an accident, or a murder. They determined that she died of an "unknown event." Cindy's parents never doubted that their daughter was murdered. Otto believed the police did not investigate the possibility of homicide or of somebody murdering her, instead zeroing in on trying to prove that she committed suicide. They believe someone in Vancouver is getting away with murder.

  • #2
    Harry, you're a rum 'un for these maddening cold cases, aren't you. Thanks for posting this, certainly very interesting! And wholly tragic for poor Cindy, if she was indeed a victim of a homicidal stalker.

    I don't know quite what to make of it, except that I'd like to know more about her bindings when she was found dead, it's not easy to convincingly tie your own hands behind your back (I know this, hehe, thanks to experiments done for the Rebecca Zahau case..) and I think it would have to be fairly obvious she'd done it herself, if that was the case.

    If the bindings support the existence of an assailant, I'd have to wonder if he could have had some means of getting information from the police. It would certainly be a sophisticated crime, the killer fully enjoying both terrorising his victim and manipulating the police into victimising her as well.

    How the HECK could her death be in any way described as an "accident"?!

    Comment


    • #3
      Oh, I see she had an ex-lover who was also a policeman.

      And her ex husband (who was the prime suspect) was a psychiatrist, 18 years her senior, who married Cindy when she was 19 years old. The apparent stalking began shortly after they divorced.

      The plot fickens.
      Last edited by Ausgirl; 01-17-2015, 03:48 PM.

      Comment


      • #4
        I found a site created by Cindy's sister, on which she has released a recording of one of the threatening calls.

        It sounds a LOT like a woman, to me.

        Actual threatening phone call. Cindy, dead meat soon. [display_podcast]

        Comment


        • #5
          Hello, Ausgirl. Thanks for taking an interest! Yes, I really can't get enough of these unsolved mysteries. It's becoming quite the unhealthy obsession, I must say.

          Oh, I didn't know that was a site dedicated to Cindy. Not sure whether to listen to that phone-call at this time of night.

          If Cindy was overdosed on drugs, enough to kill her, wouldn't this affect her ability to hogtie herself?

          I find it curious the police ruled it as an 'unknown event'. What does that even mean? Surely if the cause of death is inconclusive, it should remain open to investigation, right?

          Comment


          • #6
            Hey Harry,

            Yeah.. there's a couple of things I'm looking at sideways here.. for one, the 'diagnosis' of MPD from her former husband. There's about a million things not right with that, which HE ought to have damned well known, being a psychiatrist. Also, yep, the OD-plus-hogtie -- at a substantial distance from her car.

            Cindy doesn't appear to have manifested mental illness prior to her divorce and the apparent onset of the stalking episodes, either. And I can also see how a person could get very worn-down by being not only violently stalked, but gaslighted as well for six solid years.

            But then, there's some pretty convincing stuff pointing to her having done at least part of the stalking herself..

            One scenario that comes immediately to mind (given that I've been looking at this for like, an hour tops, heh) is that she was really being harassed by somebody who was clever enough to gaslight her.. the cops doubted her time and again... and she was angry and scared enough to fake a couple of incidents, in an attempt to be taken more seriously.

            Just thinkin' out loud. This sure is a doozy.

            Comment


            • #7
              I find this one hard to comment on as without information on how she was tied, can only assume that the police had a reason to think suicide or accident, ie the tieing must have been in a way that she could have done it herself.

              Was it Munchhausen's?
              An attempt to frame the ex?
              G U T

              There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

              Comment


              • #8
                CTV segment:

                www.melaniehack.com - Richmond nurse Cindy James was harassed for 7 years until her death in 1989. Her death still remains a mystery -- murder or suicide? He...


                A few details: the recording I linked above was actually a call made to her ex... I suspect it might have been made by Cindy. There's no doubt it's a woman's voice.

                And about the bindings - they were all done with black stockings, like the one found around her throat. And like the ones tied around her throat in prior attacks.

                And here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljym...layer_embedded

                .. it's reported that the policeman she had a relationship with was also the lead detective on the case!! Seems they met in the early stages of the stalking investigation, and he *moved in with her* while the case was ongoing.
                Last edited by Ausgirl; 01-17-2015, 05:39 PM.

                Comment


                • #9
                  I believe it was a woman's voice, too, Ausgirl, and may well have been Cindy's. This is a really intriguing case! Was the decision to separate Cindy's or her husband's? Was she deeply depressed by the separation? Could a girlfriend of her ex's have been involved?

                  There are certain things that point to Cindy's involvement. I do find the superficial cuts found on her body on a previous attack rather interesting, and what attacker leaves a threatening note on the knife? There were no attacks when she was under police surveillance. Did her ex husband know about the police being there? It's all very interesting. I think I must buy the book!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    It sure is a weird one, Rosella.

                    On another forum, I found some claims which -- if they at all pan out - are extremely interesting. No sources are provided, however, which a huge shame. Still, some stuff to go on with:



                    * Pat McBride was present for several of the calls Cindy received.

                    * At least four phone calls were traced by the phone company. In early 1983, the phone company traced 4 calls that were answered by Cindy, but the calls were too short to trace anything but the exchange. The trace was able to determine the exchange on 3 of the 4 calls and all came from different exchanges.

                    * Detective Boyer-Smyth took one of the "no talk" calls when he was at Cindy's place investigating.

                    There were other incidents verified or reported by someone other than Cindy.

                    * Once, with Cindy away from home, her downstairs tenant called the police when they heard someone upstairs (in Cindy's part of the rented house). Police investigated but find nothing.

                    * Between Cindy's PI Ozzie Kaban, and her sister Melanie, they answered multiple no talk calls at Cindy's place with Cindy present.

                    * The first two lie detector tests judged Cindy to be, at a minimum, withholding information and rendered conclusions of "not truthful". The third one, however, went Cindy’s way. During that one, she was asked if she staged a recent attack and if she wrote the note that was left at the scene. She answered no to both questions and all of her answers satisfied the police and test administrator; she was judged to be truthful.

                    * Multiple coworkers took calls from men looking for Cindy who wouldn't identify themselves.

                    * Once, Cindy was playing cards late at night with friends when her alarm went off. Her friend was later quoted as saying Cindy was sitting right at the table when the alarm went off. When they researched, they found the glass window of her basement door had been removed.

                    * One of those same friends was present at one of the fires at Cindy’s place. When he went out the front door he found a man in front of the house (at about 2:30 am). The friend asked the stranger to go get help, but the man ran off and was never seen again.

                    * After the last attack (before the murder), a well known knot expert examined the knots from the ligature preserved from her attack. He concluded it to be “highly unlikely” Cindy could have tied herself up.



                    Bolded part: I wonder if that was the note-on-the-knife attack. And for some truly unverified but fascinating claims:

                    * Her ex husband Dr. Roy Makepeace was apparently friends with another psychiatrist by the name of Dr. James Tyhurst. .....around 1982 Cindy, still married to Roy took a trip with him to Gabriola Island to visit a few other friends all of whom happened to be psychiatrists.

                    * She initially claimed to see her husband and another psychiatrist cutting up and disposing of a dead bodies. ......she initially told a couple about this, but she was passed off as "crazy" ..... no one believed that 2 well respected psychiatrists would do such a thing.

                    *She found out that a psychiatrist was practicing radical psychiatric therapies and sexually abusing some of his female patients.

                    * Not long after this trip to Gabriola island, Cindy and Roy broke up.

                    * Dr. James Tyhurst has since been charged and convicted of sexual abuse on one of his patients with numerous others coming forward also.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Well, the Tyhurst abuse thing is true, at least -- he also apparently had several patients come forward with the exact same complaints in previous cases, in which he was acquitted:


                      In a scathing judgment against the retired psychiatrist, a B.C. Supreme Court judge has found Tyhurst's treatment of Jill Gorman "was deplorable and defies all norms of civilized conduct between individuals."

                      Justice David Vickers ordered Tyhurst to pay damages of $556,790, ending another chapter in the bizarre story.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Fascinating! Thanks for that, Ausgirl. (I'd never heard of this case until I read you and Harry discussing it on this thread. I'm a sucker for unsolved mysteries and I suppose we all are or we wouldn't be on this forum!)

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          More on Tyhurst, in a book review.. the author links him to the CIA but reviewer isn't convinced:

                          THE LATEST WORK from the investigative journalist and thriller writer Christopher Hyde, Abuse of Trust, concerns a young boy whose father is murdered. The boy is then trained at university by a CIA-paid psychiatrist, and abused with mind-altering narcotics; and when qualified as a psychiatrist, he himself forces a selection of female patients to submit to various forms of sexual exploitation and humiliation.

                          Tyhurst did not, it appears, drift into abuse via middle-aged crisis, medical indifference, or brief aberration, but planned his scheme early on in his career. Over the years he took his chosen patients to an island retreat, where he put them into "slave-quarters" and dressed them in fetishistic costumes and chains. He also insisted that they sign contracts agreeing to forced sex and ritualistic punishments.



                          What connections dr whippy had with Makepeace, idk. Yet. But I did find:

                          This 2013 obit for Dr. Roy Makepeace puts his birthdate at 1926. Making him 38 years Cindy's senior, not 18.
                          Last edited by Ausgirl; 01-17-2015, 09:45 PM.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Ooh, and Tyhurst -was- involved with the CIA and defense research! His field of study? The effects of crisis on the minds of individuals, positing that healthy individuals in crisis tend to act in psychotic ways.

                            Talk about a rabbit hole..



                            So was this island weekend getaway with Cindy real? I intend to find out. =p

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              No wait.. I'm crap at math, idk why I even try. 18 years her senior was closer to right. hehe. If he was 40 and she was 19, that's 21 years difference. Her body was found on his birthday, just for trivia.

                              Notes from Roy's genealogy page, with bolded interesting bits:

                              1966
                              December 9, 1966
                              Age 40

                              Married Cindy Hack
                              New Westminster, BC, Canada

                              SECOND MARRIAGE FOR ROY : No children , by agreement .
                              Happily married until Cindy's Multiple Personality manifested in 1981 ,
                              Separated by mutual agreement in July , 1982 . Divorced in 1986 .

                              Cindy deceased in May , 1989 ; gave rise to the longest and most
                              expensive Coroner's Court Inquiry ( for 3 months ) ever in B.C. history
                              in 1990 . Verdict indeterminate for Accident , Suicide , or Murder ;
                              the conclusion of an excruciating 8-year human tragedy -----
                              predominantly due to mismanagement by the " Establishment " , both
                              Legal and Psychiatric , as well as by vocational colleagues and her
                              family-of-origin . ( Roy legally excluded from contact since 1985 ) .
                              Last edited by Ausgirl; 01-17-2015, 11:56 PM.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X