JonBenet Ramsey Murder case

[lynn cates]

May the Schwartz be with you

Hello Louisa. If one could extrapolate from your post #1284 to the Schwartz testimony about BSM (mutatis mutandis, of course), one might see what my theory has been for all these years.

Cheers.
LC

[louisa]

Hello Louisa. If one could extrapolate from your post #1284 to the Schwartz testimony about BSM (mutatis mutandis, of course), one might see what my theory has been for all these years.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn

Could you supply a link please?

[Abby Normal]

Hello Louisa. If one could extrapolate from your post #1284 to the Schwartz testimony about BSM (mutatis mutandis, of course), one might see what my theory has been for all these years.

Cheers.
LC

What? that patsy was crazy and thought she was dressing a turkey?

SORRY!! couldn't resist ; )

Happy Holidays Lynn!!
good to see you posting on here again.

Id seriously like to know your theory though.

[Harry D]

Stop me if I'm wrong, but Lynn believes that 'BS Man' was a concoction by the jewish socialist club to deflect suspicion away from themselves, hence why the suspect was portrayed as an antisemitic brute assailing women in the street. I assume he's applying the same rationale to the Ramseys inventing an intruder scenario to avoid incrimination.

[louisa]

This book looks interesting.......

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Listen-Carefully-Evidence-JonBenet-Ramsey-ebook/dp/B01NCKGIHV/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482263210&sr=1-2&keywords=LISTEN+CAREFULLY

[Pcdunn]

Last night I watched the first ten minutes of the TV show "Overkill: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenet Ramsey" (which I had missed when I previously watched the program), and was very impressed by the comments about the so-called "ransom note". No one with any law-enforcement experience believes it was a real request for ransom. It was written by someone who only knew about kidnappings from movies and books.

Another thing I noticed was the discussion of the "intruder theory" which was discounted by police because of few footsteps in the snow-- yet no one took into account that the alley leading between the neighbor and the back of the Ramsey house was free of snow and easily accessible.

I noticed that the new true crime series "People Magazine Investigates" is also doing an episode on the murder of JBR. They started the series recently with an episode on the Long Island serial killer.

[louisa]

Last night I watched the first ten minutes of the TV show "Overkill: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenet Ramsey" (which I had missed when I previously watched the program), and was very impressed by the comments about the so-called "ransom note". No one with any law-enforcement experience believes it was a real request for ransom. It was written by someone who only knew about kidnappings from movies and books.

Another thing I noticed was the discussion of the "intruder theory" which was discounted by police because of few footsteps in the snow-- yet no one took into account that the alley leading between the neighbor and the back of the Ramsey house was free of snow and easily accessible.

I noticed that the new true crime series "People Magazine Investigates" is also doing an episode on the murder of JBR. They started the series recently with an episode on the Long Island serial killer.

The 'intruder theory' was discounted on a lot more than just a lack of footprints in the snow.

There was patchy snow and ice on that earning morning of the 26th. There was a footprint but it was discovered it belonged to one of the police officers.

Over here in the UK we're only getting a few of the televised shows about this case. One of them is on a channel I don't subscribe to unfortunately.

[lynn cates]

links

Hello Louisa. Thanks.

You mean my ideas about Schwartz? Actually, they are in the various Schwartz threads and did not originate with me. If I recall properly, Tom Wescott first raised the possibility.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

theories

Hello Abby. Thanks. The same to you I'm sure.

As I (and others) have suggested, the club lads were quite nervous from the police comportment the night of the investigation. Hence, fearing problems, they impressed Israel into delivering a story concocted to ameliorate their situation and throw the blame elsewhere.

In the Ramsey case, the suggestion is that the siblings squabbled over the pineapple and brother killed sister in a fit of pique. Realising what he had done, the lad--in conjunction with mum and dad--altered the crime scene to concur with a break in and murder/kidnapping.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

bingo

Hello Harry. Thanks.

Bingo.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Hello Abby. Thanks. The same to you I'm sure.

As I (and others) have suggested, the club lads were quite nervous from the police comportment the night of the investigation. Hence, fearing problems, they impressed Israel into delivering a story concocted to ameliorate their situation and throw the blame elsewhere.

In the Ramsey case, the suggestion is that the siblings squabbled over the pineapple and brother killed sister in a fit of pique. Realising what he had done, the lad--in conjunction with mum and dad--altered the crime scene to concur with a break in and murder/kidnapping.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn
Thanks for explaining. entirely possible. I think most people believe if it was an "inside" job, this is how it went down.

I do lean toward it being someone in the family, but for me its Patsy all the way. She was the culprit and she was sexually abusing her and killed and then tried to cover up. Burke and or john may or may not have known anything or had anything to do with the cover up.

it really is the simplest explanation and pretty much answers all the questions and mysteries in this case.

if, of course, you can accept that a mother could do something like that.

[louisa]

Hi Lynn
Thanks for explaining. entirely possible. I think most people believe if it was an "inside" job, this is how it went down.

I do lean toward it being someone in the family, but for me its Patsy all the way. She was the culprit and she was sexually abusing her and killed and then tried to cover up. Burke and or john may or may not have known anything or had anything to do with the cover up.

it really is the simplest explanation and pretty much answers all the questions and mysteries in this case.

if, of course, you can accept that a mother could do something like that.

But it doesn't answer all the questions.

Why would they leave a ransom note AND conceal their daughter's body - unless the couple intended for the police NOT to search the house and accept their daughter had been 'taken'? When the phone call didn't come the Ramseys may have thought the police would leave.

Then later - lo and behold they find their daughter's body in the basement. The Foreign Faction had killed her because the parents had disobeyed orders and notified the police.

However.....things didn't work out that way, did they? The police showed no signs of going. And now the FBI were being called.

Plan B was needed - fast!


As for the murder itself it had to be BR. A mother isn't going to strangle her own child, is she?

If you read the Grand Jury's True Bills against the Ramseys - it all becomes clear.


On or about December 25 and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennet Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly, and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted had committed and was suspected of the crime of Murder in the First Degree and Child Abuse Resulting in Death.
As to Count VII, Accessory to a Crime:

A TRUE BILL
(signature redacted)

[Joshua Rogan]

Over here in the UK we're only getting a few of the televised shows about this case. One of them is on a channel I don't subscribe to unfortunately.

The documentary "the case of: Jonbenet Ramsey" starts on More4 22 Dec at 21:00

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey

[louisa]

The documentary "the case of: Jonbenet Ramsey" starts on More4 22 Dec at 21:00

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...onbenet-ramsey

I don't have More4.

I'll probably be able to watch it on the internet though.

It's on over two nights - 22nd and the 23rd.


It's already been shown in the US - back in September.

[Joshua Rogan]

That's odd....I thought it was on free view, hasn't everyone got that?

But if not, you're right, it's almost certainly on the Internet somewhere.