patterson gimlin film

[TomTomKent]

What is ANE film footage?

The film that Patterson was producing that included a man playing a Bigfoot.

[TomTomKent]

There will never be anything in the films content that can be used to say it's genuine and again there will nothing in the film to say it's fake this argument will run for another 47 years.This is very similar situation to the Maybrick diary can never be proven either way.

Which is why the burden of proof lays on the fantastic claim. If you want to claim Maybrick was the Ripper you provide evidence, or you have nothing but an interesting idea. If you want to claim the PG film shows life unknown to science, like Bigfoot then the burden of proof is yours. Obviously until such evidence is provided the balance should lean towards the mundane explanations.

[pinkmoon]

Because he wasn't filming a hoax. He was filming the known project that he took some footage from.

It has breasts that move like breasts, because the costume was designed to do just that. The hernia is arguable based on interpretation. What was too good for a fake was expected for a movie production. If you go to a costume supplier are you really going to ask if they have less convincing costumes in stock because you are using low quality film? No. And remember this was a costume supplied by somebody who supplied to carnivals and shows that had to convince live audiences.

Just out of interest have you compared the PG film creature to the one in the ANE film footage? I think Cracked had a great comparison image in their "15 paranormal photos with explanations" photoplasty article. If not to convince you, then at least to see the sceptics point of view.

What is ANE film footage?

[pinkmoon]

Maybrick diary

There will never be anything in the films content that can be used to say it's genuine and again there will nothing in the film to say it's fake this argument will run for another 47 years.This is very similar situation to the Maybrick diary can never be proven either way.

[TomTomKent]

A lot more detail can be seen on that film now thanks to computer technology it has breasts which move like breasts should there is a hernia on the thigh the detail is too good for a fake.Roger Patterson didn't need to have a suit that good in 1967 because the technology wasn't there to enhance the film then.Why go over 400 miles to film a hoax in the middle of nowhere when you live next to an area of bigfoot sightings?

Because he wasn't filming a hoax. He was filming the known project that he took some footage from.

It has breasts that move like breasts, because the costume was designed to do just that. The hernia is arguable based on interpretation. What was too good for a fake was expected for a movie production. If you go to a costume supplier are you really going to ask if they have less convincing costumes in stock because you are using low quality film? No. And remember this was a costume supplied by somebody who supplied to carnivals and shows that had to convince live audiences.

Just out of interest have you compared the PG film creature to the one in the ANE film footage? I think Cracked had a great comparison image in their "15 paranormal photos with explanations" photoplasty article. If not to convince you, then at least to see the sceptics point of view.

[GUT]

G'day kensei

On the way it turned to look at the camera- Patterson himself said of that moment that it felt to him like when the umpire tells you, "One more step and you're out of the game!" He took it as a look of intimidation, the creature basically saying to him "I see you, and you better not come any closer.

But if it was a fake what else would he say>

And on the way it walks, an animal built like a Bigfoot would indeed walk more like a human than any animal. It's not a totally human walk though. The knees stay slightly bent all the time so there is no bobbing of the head.

I said earlier it walks a lot like me when my back's killing me, my goodness it's even built like me.

[kensei]

Yes back on thread.

I really am not sure. I've probably watched it 5o times in the last week alone the one thing that really worries me is the way that bigfoot looks around at the camera and doesn't appear even slightly concerned by people being around when clearly [to my mind] he, or she, is cautious about being seen.

The creature also walks more like a human than any animal.

Having said all that if it is a fake it's a good one.

It's evident that the creature was concerned by people being around since it immediately started walking away when it saw them. Some have taken issue with the fact that it didn't run, but for whatever reason it didn't. It didn't see them until they came around a log jam in the creek, and it's been suggested that it either didn't hear them approaching over the sound of the creek or that it didn't equate the sound of hoofbeats with the presence of humans (the men were on horseback).

On the way it turned to look at the camera- Patterson himself said of that moment that it felt to him like when the umpire tells you, "One more step and you're out of the game!" He took it as a look of intimidation, the creature basically saying to him "I see you, and you better not come any closer."

And on the way it walks, an animal built like a Bigfoot would indeed walk more like a human than any animal. It's not a totally human walk though. The knees stay slightly bent all the time so there is no bobbing of the head.

[pinkmoon]

Yes back on thread.

I really am not sure. I've probably watched it 5o times in the last week alone the one thing that really worries me is the way that bigfoot looks around at the camera and doesn't appear even slightly concerned by people being around when clearly [to my mind] he, or she, is cautious about being seen.

The creature also walks more like a human than any animal.

Having said all that if it is a fake it's a good one.

That was filmed in one take the original film wasn't edited the creature had the creek between it and Patterson no one had been able to match it's gait it might well walk a little like a human and a little like an ape because it's meant to be a cros
s of the two.The actual look back was how we know it has breasts and to me would be the thing to avoid in a hoax.Monkey costumes in the 1960s always fell down when the head mask joined the back this is before stretchable material was used in the 1980s most of the Patterson film is filmed from the back and if it is a suit we have an invisible join.Read Bill munns book "when roger met patty"it's on amazon bill munns spent nearly 50 years in the special effects business so I would recommend it.The munns report is available on a free download just Google it.

[GUT]

This video gives you a lot to think about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH8n_w_U9UUi

[GUT]

On a serious note gut where do you stand on this Patterson gimlin film.

Yes back on thread.

I really am not sure. I've probably watched it 5o times in the last week alone the one thing that really worries me is the way that bigfoot looks around at the camera and doesn't appear even slightly concerned by people being around when clearly [to my mind] he, or she, is cautious about being seen.

The creature also walks more like a human than any animal.

Having said all that if it is a fake it's a good one.

[pinkmoon]

Yea no sense at all.

BVut you said breasts and that's like boobies.

On a serious note gut where do you stand on this Patterson gimlin film.

[GUT]

Yea no sense at all.

BVut you said breasts and that's like boobies.

[pinkmoon]

Pinky said breasts !!!!!!!!

Breasts,breasts,breasts,breasts why give the creature knockers that move so well it makes no sense.

[GUT]

A lot more detail can be seen on that film now thanks to computer technology it has breasts which move like breasts should there is a hernia on the thigh the detail is too good for a fake.Roger Patterson didn't need to have a suit that good in 1967 because the technology wasn't there to enhance the film then.Why go over 400 miles to film a hoax in the middle of nowhere when you live next to an area of bigfoot sightings?

Pinky said breasts !!!!!!!!

[pinkmoon]

A lot more detail can be seen on that film now thanks to computer technology it has breasts which move like breasts should there is a hernia on the thigh the detail is too good for a fake.Roger Patterson didn't need to have a suit that good in 1967 because the technology wasn't there to enhance the film then.Why go over 400 miles to film a hoax in the middle of nowhere when you live next to an area of bigfoot sightings?