They got the Long Island Serial Killer

[Damaso Marte]

https://nypost.com/2023/07/14/gilgo-beach-lisk-serial-killings-suspect-in-police-custody-report/

[curious]

What are you making of his wife's hairs being with some of the victims?

[Fiver]

What are you making of his wife's hairs being with some of the victims?

That gives me a Karla Homolka vibe.

[Pcdunn]

Gilgo Beach Suspect’s Home Held a 279-Weapon Arsenal and a Walk-In Vault https://nyti.ms/3KdFbOs

Update on the search of the LISK's home and items found hit news today as it nears its end. Search produced weapons, evidence, material, and DNA. They even dug up the guy's backyard. House is being handed bsck over to the wife and family.

Wife's hairs being found on a victim's body suggest the man used his house as a killing zone when the wife and kids were away. She has not been charged with anything, and insists she knew nothing and was away on business or vacation at times of victims' disappeatances.

Wife is divorcing this creep, and I don't blame het!

[Abby Normal]

Gilgo Beach Suspect’s Home Held a 279-Weapon Arsenal and a Walk-In Vault https://nyti.ms/3KdFbOs

Update on the search of the LISK's home and items found hit news today as it nears its end. Search produced weapons, evidence, material, and DNA. They even dug up the guy's backyard. House is being handed bsck over to the wife and family.

Wife's hairs being found on a victim's body suggest the man used his house as a killing zone when the wife and kids were away. She has not been charged with anything, and insists she knew nothing and was away on business or vacation at times of victims' disappeatances.

Wife is divorcing this creep, and I don't blame het!

one of the items i heard was a large painting/ portrait of a woman with a bruised face. indicative of someone who was into torture.
do we know from the victims bodies or any of the evidence collected if tjese women were tortured and or any post mortem mutilation?

[Pcdunn]

^ Nothing has been mentioned about that to the public. Given the guns, and the fact that former co-worker wrote publicly that the suspect liked to hire "young, pretty, petite women" and once remarked while waiting for a potential client to arrive for a meeting, "Target in sight"-- well, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Pcdunn]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/us/investigation-update-gilgo-beach-murders/index.html

Police added a 1996 murder victim previously known as "Fire Island Jane Doe" to those attributed to the Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect.

[Mark J D]

House of Lechmere video now out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN8AkIjeLUc

M.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Christ, there’s even high pressure advertising going on now. In a thread totally unconnected to JTR

Perhaps someone should start a new thread. Piltdown Man, The Cottingley Fairies, Royal shape-shifters, flat earth, Cross the ripper etc.

[Mark J D]

Next House of Lechmere video in this series...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7VqOct5vQk

M.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Next thrilling episode…..was Charles Cross’s son the Zodiac Killer?

[Aethelwulf]

Just watching the latest HoL video - he does have a certain watchability old Stow. I did notice he maintains that Rose Mylett was a ripper victim and that Lechmere murdered her on the basis of the nearby Pickford's depot. It sounds a very lightweight option IMO. It requires a total change in Lech's work routine and as usual, there is no evidence to suggest Lech was a murderer. In fact the main argument seems to be that because Lech was totally unremarkable, that makes him a serial killer.

Was Mylett a ripper victim, who knows, but I will point out an uncanny similarity with the method of a known murderer that is better option than the Pickford's depot.

Mylett was almost certainly strangled with a cord, the mark passing all the way around her neck apart from small gap of 2-3 inches between the spine and left ear lobe.

At the time of this murder, William Bury lived a little over 1 mile away (see below). He used a cord to strangle his wife (we have the exchange with the shop keeper where she describes the cord he bought) and the mark it left was described by Charles Templeman and Alexander Mitchell Stalker, who were the first doctors to conduct a medical examination of Ellen Bury’s body:

• There was a mark of constriction around the neck, passing in front between the hyoid bone and the larynx, and maintaining this level all the way round with the exception of about two inches on the left side of the neck where it tended slightly upwards.

We see an almost identical level mark with a small gap on the left side of the neck. I think given Bury's relatively close location, this should be treated as significant.

Remember Phillips thought the method used suggested someone who knew what they were doing:

"The murderer," he says, "must be a man who had STUDIED THE THEORY OF STRANGULATION, for he evidently knew where to place the cord so as to immediately bring his victim under control. It would be necessary to place the cord in the right place. It would be a very lucky stroke for a man at the first attempt to hit upon the proper place."

So It seems Bury was either very lucky or he'd done it before and is clearly a good suspect in the Mylett case. Could this have been an aborted ripper murder? Well Bury did also slice open his wife's privates and cut through her back passage in an extremely similar way to the description of those wounds on Eddowes.

It was said Mylett was a prostitue and recall that Bury also met his wife, a former prostitue, in a brothel, and he later caught an STD and gave it to her, likely from another prostitute. He knew prostitutes.

Ok, back to the main man stow and I'll finish the video.

[Aethelwulf]

Having watched the rest of Stow's monologue he does have a habit of sweeping everything aside that isn't related to his thoery on Lech as 'totally discredited', ludicrous and and ridiculous suspects (flashing up images of Druitt, Bury and Kelly rather mockingly). It seems to come back to Lech's normal life and how this is the same as Rex H. Whilst these sort of people clealry exist and live a double life, Stow sweeps aside the idea that serial killers should have form for a rnage of other crimes. Clearly Rex H shows this isn't the case. But you don't have to look hard to find examples at the other end of the scale.

Bellfield: Bellfield's first conviction was as a child for burglary in 1981.He was convicted of assaulting a police officer in 1990. He also has convictions for theft and driving offences. By 2002, Bellfield had nine convictions and had spent almost one year in prison for them

John Cooper (Pembrokeshire coast murders): Cooper had a history of criminal activities, including thirty robberies and violent assaults.Cooper was sentenced to 14 years in 1998 for robbery and burglary. He was released from prison in January 2009.

Peter Kurten: Shortly thereafter, in 1900, Kürten was arrested for fraud. He would be rearrested later the same year on the same charge, although on this second occasion, charges pertaining to his 1899 Düsseldorf thefts, plus the attempted murder of a girl with a firearm, were added to the indictment....... Kürten was tried by the military court and convicted of desertion in addition to multiple counts of arson, robbery and attempted robbery (the latter charges pertaining to acts he had also committed that year), and was subsequently imprisoned from 1905 to 1913.

Peter Manuel: By the age of ten, he was known to the local police as a petty thief. At the age of 16, he committed a string of sexual assaults that resulted in his serving nine years in Peterhead Prison. In 1955, he successfully conducted his own defence on a rape charge at Airdrie Sheriff Court.

Clearly, JTR could have been like Rex H, but he could have be like these others or somehwere in between. But what is the evidence that suggests Lechmere was this Rex H type person. Despite what the the Lechers say, the circumstantial evidence is extremely weak.

I think this example of Bury potentially having something to do with Mylett is very instructive. Look at the routes of lech, mother's house etc. The patterns must mean something. There is a pickfords depot. Surely only Lech could have done it at that unusual location because of Pickfords. Now I may not be right, but the realisation that someone like Bury, who appears to have used a near exact same method of strangulation and was quite close by, points to nothing but a coincidence. Without any evidence that Lech was JTR, what else is just a coincidence? The routes to work, mother's house. It all traces back on an erroneous starting point IMO.

[John Wheat]

Having watched the rest of Stow's monologue he does have a habit of sweeping everything aside that isn't related to his thoery on Lech as 'totally discredited', ludicrous and and ridiculous suspects (flashing up images of Druitt, Bury and Kelly rather mockingly). It seems to come back to Lech's normal life and how this is the same as Rex H. Whilst these sort of people clealry exist and live a double life, Stow sweeps aside the idea that serial killers should have form for a rnage of other crimes. Clearly Rex H shows this isn't the case. But you don't have to look hard to find examples at the other end of the scale.

Bellfield: Bellfield's first conviction was as a child for burglary in 1981.He was convicted of assaulting a police officer in 1990. He also has convictions for theft and driving offences. By 2002, Bellfield had nine convictions and had spent almost one year in prison for them

John Cooper (Pembrokeshire coast murders): Cooper had a history of criminal activities, including thirty robberies and violent assaults.Cooper was sentenced to 14 years in 1998 for robbery and burglary. He was released from prison in January 2009.

Peter Kurten: Shortly thereafter, in 1900, Kürten was arrested for fraud. He would be rearrested later the same year on the same charge, although on this second occasion, charges pertaining to his 1899 Düsseldorf thefts, plus the attempted murder of a girl with a firearm, were added to the indictment....... Kürten was tried by the military court and convicted of desertion in addition to multiple counts of arson, robbery and attempted robbery (the latter charges pertaining to acts he had also committed that year), and was subsequently imprisoned from 1905 to 1913.

Peter Manuel: By the age of ten, he was known to the local police as a petty thief. At the age of 16, he committed a string of sexual assaults that resulted in his serving nine years in Peterhead Prison. In 1955, he successfully conducted his own defence on a rape charge at Airdrie Sheriff Court.

Clearly, JTR could have been like Rex H, but he could have be like these others or somehwere in between. But what is the evidence that suggests Lechmere was this Rex H type person. Despite what the the Lechers say, the circumstantial evidence is extremely weak.

I think this example of Bury potentially having something to do with Mylett is very instructive. Look at the routes of lech, mother's house etc. The patterns must mean something. There is a pickfords depot. Surely only Lech could have done it at that unusual location because of Pickfords. Now I may not be right, but the realisation that someone like Bury, who appears to have used a near exact same method of strangulation and was quite close by, points to nothing but a coincidence. Without any evidence that Lech was JTR, what else is just a coincidence? The routes to work, mother's house. It all traces back on an erroneous starting point IMO.

Hi Aethelwulf

I'm not sure how anyone could say that Bury, Kelly and Druitt are ridiculous suspects. To my mind they are all much better suspects than Lechmere. Bury in particular.

Cheers John

[Aethelwulf]

Hi Aethelwulf

I'm not sure how anyone could say that Bury, Kelly and Druitt are ridiculous suspects. To my mind they are all much better suspects than Lechmere. Bury in particular.

Cheers John

Hi John I get the impression that for the likes of stow, Lechmere represents 'year 0' and everything pre Lechmere is no longer relevant. It still amazes me what is set at lechmere door vrs what it's actually basen on. Keeps old stow busy I suppose making is fan club vids