University of Idaho Stabbings

[Pcdunn]

^ It is coming up on ID Channel, Sunday March 12, 2023.

Correct title is: "The Idaho College Murders: A Special Event" and is looking at the evidence and facts in the case.

[Pcdunn]

For people who get the American true-crime channel ID, there will be a special on the University of Idaho stabbings. I know it is this month (March, 2023) but I'm not certain of the day. Possibly next week or the week after.

Try checking their schedule online. Apparently the first tv documentary about these murders.

[Pcdunn]

University Investigated Idaho Murder Suspect’s Behavior Around Time of Killings https://nyti.ms/3IhupGC

[Abby Normal]

well it appears he was targeting and stalking at least one of the victims...he was trying to message her on instagram repeatedly. but it will be interesting to find out how he found out where she lived.

[Pcdunn]

Idaho Murders Suspect Felt ‘No Emotion’ and ‘Little Remorse’ as a Teen https://nyti.ms/3kcxa2m

Apparently Bryan K. had a troubled teen life, including drug use and feeling detached from the world around him, including his family. I wonder if he became interested in the criminal mind in an effort to understand himself --or because he felt he fit in with them.

[Pcdunn]

The second Dr Phil episode on the suspect in the stabbing murders aired this past week. He apparently was an overweight kid who was targeted by bullies, but made a dramatic change as a high school senior. He dropped a lot of weight, apparently turned vegetarian, started talking of wanting a police or military career, and developed an interest in criminology.

Classmates from his college courses state he always wanted to show off how smart he was, and to dominate discussions.
Yet a local bar told him he had to stop asking women customers and staff there "do you live alone?" upon first approaching them. He did not seem to realize what a very creepy pick-up line that is, in this day and age.

Denis Rader's daughter said Bryan K. had taken a course from a woman who had extensively interviewed her dad about his career as the Bind Torture Kill murderer.
The daughter also said she recognized similar details between them: both 28 when they started killing, both killed four people in their first assault, and others.

There was talk about the mistakes Bryan K. seemed to have made, and speculation his defense would say "my client is too intelligent to have done such a sloppy job as this!"

His knowledge of the "party house" layout and how he seemed familiar with it was discussed. He might have attended on a party night, as just a drop in guest, not invited. Or maybe visited when the occupants were out, perhaps hid in a closet for awhile until it was quiet, then walked around and slipped out.

I hope they don't try to say he had help from anyone in the house. That would be too sad.

They talked about his walking past the girl who was awake and didn't seem to see her. Maybe he really didn't if she was frozen in place, or maybe he was satisfied from killing four people already. I think if he was trying to recreate Rader's first mass murder, he needed to stop at four, so he ignored the other woman.

[Ally]

There are two different scenarios that are possible.

Scenario A) The one that you proposed -that the murders arose out of a social experiment, purely objectively from his studies. A dispassionate game from a clinical, psychopathic objective. The "How to create the perfect murder game" gone to far, done purely to see if he could get away with it, without any real compulsion to commit murder, beyond seeing if he could succeed.

Scenario B) That he was predisposed to homicidal impulses, he had an urge to kill this specific victim type, and his studies arose from this predisposition and an attempt to find a way to indulge his interests and get away with them. He was looking for a way to calculate the variables, mitigate the risks and avoid capture. Obviously, he failed as you cannot predict how you will respond in a real world stress and adrenaline-fueled state, until you are actually in it. Which any halfway decent student of human nature should have known.

With the bare biographical sketch we have of him, I lean towards scenario B, however, if he's convicted, I suspect he will put forth scenario A, as that makes him seem more ... "cool" (that is SO not the right word, but how he would want to be viewed as more in control of his nature than he is). I lean more towards scenario B, because if the objective was just to commit any murder and get away with it, there were far easier and less sensational targets than a house of multiple college students. I feel he had a *need* to kill that victim type. And therefore it's not just a dispassionate game.

I also think that while the more likely scenario is that he did not see the surviving witness, if he is convicted, and if he ever talks, he will say he saw her and chose to spare her. When in fact, he just made another mistake. He will attempt to make his actions seem more calculating than they were.

All just random musings, and as likely to be proven wrong with evidence as any other musing at this stage, of course.

[Pcdunn]

The Dr Phil program this afternoon was interesting, and will have a second part tomorrow afternoon. He had guest experts to discuss the case with, including a forensic pathologist and a former FBI agent.

I found the body cam footage of when BK and his father were stopped by police interesting. I didn't know there were two stops, though. That must have played with the suspect's head!

One thing I didn't know about was that he posted a Reddit survey aimed at convicted murderers asking them how they planned their "goals" and inquiring for details as to their "thoughts and feelings" at each step of their progress toward their "goals." Apparently this was supposed to be part of his research as a criminology student, but...! As one journalist asked Phil, "Is this some kind of sick social experiment?" I think if BK is a sociopath, he'd be interested in how he should think and feel when killing a petson.

Tomorrow they will delve into the suspect's childhood as a bullied student, and also look at a possible connection between BK and Dennis Rader. Rader's daughter states this suspect was studying her dad's career as the BTK serial killer.

[Pcdunn]

Dr. Phil is doing a television program today (Thursday, Jan. 12th, 2023) about the "eerie facts" of the University of Idaho murders. Thought I'd mention it if anyone is interested. Presume he'll go over the timeline and evidence that have been revealed to date.

[Ally]

Yep, but if his goal is to do right by his murdered daughter, constantly going on the news and **** talking the police, the investigation and running his mouth may not be the best option. Grief isn't an excuse for basic stupidity. His daughter wasn't the only victim and his constantly torpedoing law enforcement efforts by running his yap isn't doing justice by the other victims of the crime. He wasn't the only one who lost a child. He's not the only one grieving. But he is the one who is constantly talking to the media. And who knows if any of the information he's putting out there is actually accurate. He's the one who put out that HIS daughter was the target. Nobody else has corroborated that information, but it's now everywhere. There's no actual source for that but news outlets are repeating it like it's gospel. And misinformation gets into the public consciousness and can **** with future juries heads if facts conflict with "gossip". He needs to shut up. What if the wifi information is bogus? And then it doesn't come up at trial. But people are waiting for it, because they "heard" it existed. Now there's reasonable doubt. "I thought there was evidence, I heard there was evidence". He needs to shut up.

[erobitha]

Yeah, while I don't really like the fact that the father is milking this case for all its worth, the prosecution is doing the exact right thing and giving away only enough publicly to get exactly what they need - a probable cause arrest warrant and search warrants. They aren't by any means showing their entire hand at this time.

They aren't stupid, they've played this extremely well, and the father really ought to shut his mouth, he's done the investigation no favors with his shooting his mouth off since the start. Even back in the beginning when he was whinging about how they had eliminated people too quickly I was thinking... uh...dumbass, if they are eliminating people quickly, that means they already know who they are looking for. They have evidence they aren't telling you. Probably because you keep shooting your damn mouth off every five minutes.

I guess if your daughter has been savagely murdered you might not be thinking through every decision rationally and logically?

Perhaps his emotions have got the better of him, but I wouldn’t even know where to begin to understand what he is going through.

[Ally]

According to the father of one of the victims, the suspect was close enough to the house that his phone interacted with the WiFi, so I think the police have more precise info than was revealed in the affidavit. Of course, his phone was (probably) turned off at the time of the murders, so this only goes for the previous occasions he was in the vicinity.

Yeah, while I don't really like the fact that the father is milking this case for all its worth, the prosecution is doing the exact right thing and giving away only enough publicly to get exactly what they need - a probable cause arrest warrant and search warrants. They aren't by any means showing their entire hand at this time.

They aren't stupid, they've played this extremely well, and the father really ought to shut his mouth, he's done the investigation no favors with his shooting his mouth off since the start. Even back in the beginning when he was whinging about how they had eliminated people too quickly I was thinking... uh...dumbass, if they are eliminating people quickly, that means they already know who they are looking for. They have evidence they aren't telling you. Probably because you keep shooting your damn mouth off every five minutes.

[Joshua Rogan]

Unless phone pings are more accurate than I understand, then the most the police can do is place KB in a general area at relevant times.

According to the father of one of the victims, the suspect was close enough to the house that his phone interacted with the WiFi, so I think the police have more precise info than was revealed in the affidavit. Of course, his phone was (probably) turned off at the time of the murders, so this only goes for the previous occasions he was in the vicinity.

[cobalt]

The evidence revealed so far falls short of placing KB at the scene of the crime.

The prosecution can show that a white Hyundai car very similar to his was near the scene of the crime but the defence will point out that police experts originally identified a slightly different model of car from security cameras. If these same experts testify at trial they will have to admit fallibility.

Much the same applies to the time of the murders. Originally police announced they took place between 3am and 4am, presumably on the basis of surviving witness evidence and pathology reports. Now, in light of the traffic camera photo evidence and the neighbouring audio camera tape, the time of the murders has been moved back. Not by any great amount it is true- estimating time of death is not an exact science- but the original police estimate would at best have a suspicious white car driving around the area without stopping.

The audio tape may prove useful for the prosecution but it also throws up another issue: what is heard on the tape should verify what was heard by the surviving witness. As of yet, I have read nothing from the surviving witness which mentions a dog barking or a loud thump.

Unless phone pings are more accurate than I understand, then the most the police can do is place KB in a general area at relevant times. The knife pouch remains the most solid piece of evidence that he has to explain. What is needed to confirm guilt well beyond a reasonable doubt is victim DNA found in his car or his property. That may be forthcoming.

[Damaso Marte]

Between the coroner's report, the sounds picked up by a nearby security camera, and the noises the surviving roommates heard, the prosecution will be able to show that the murders occurred around 4:15 AM. They will be able to demonstrate that somebody vaguely resembling the suspect was in the house at that time. And they will be able to show that white Hyundai Elantra was in the neighborhood, behaving suspiciously, at the same time - a Hyundai Elantra that like the suspect's did not have front license plates in a state where almost all cars have front license plates. They will be able to trace that same white Elantra all the way to the suspect's parking lot in Pullman, Washington (via an indirect route, as if he was trying to cover his tracks) - and use cell phone ping data to show that the suspect was in that car.

They can place him at the murder scene without DNA evidence, and then there's DNA evidence on top of that: his only plausible defense would be something like "somebody stole my car AND my cell phone AND my knife AND drove back to my house when they were done" - and that defense won't account for why he was in Idaho at odd hours in the weeks running up to the murder and at 9 AM the next morning. The shopping's not THAT great.