the killing of jon benet-the father speaks

[Abby Normal]

watching this doc now, havent seen it before and it looks like its the most recent but i dont know what year it came out, but its after patsy died and John Ramsey looks much older and is giving new interviews.

one thing this one says is that the autopsy shows she had evidence of previous sexual abuse. If true, not good for the parents.

[FISHY1118]

I believe that also is the case abby .

There is i believe a darker side [ as if it couldnt get any darker ] to her murder thats rarely mentioned, which also if true would explain a lot about why she was killed.

[Abby Normal]

I believe that also is the case abby .

There is i believe a darker side [ as if it couldnt get any darker ] to her murder thats rarely mentioned, which also if true would explain a lot about why she was killed.

HI Fishy
which is?

I think the balance of evidence points to a family member (just barely), probably Patsy, but I think there is a rarely mentioned third option, other than the intruder theory. Which is it was an inside job from someone who was very close to the ramseys (and they are NOT in on it), like a worker at there home and or a very close friend. On this angle the mostlikely suspect is their disgruntled maid.

Ive studied alot of true crime/mystery/unexplained and IMHO opinion this case along with handful of others is a true mystery-the ripper, Bella in the witch hazel, the monster of Florence, area 51. Most all others Ive looked at im pretty satisfied with a strong degree of certainty I know who the suspect is and or the explanation.

This one has me pretty bamboozled.

[FISHY1118]

HI Fishy
which is?

I think the balance of evidence points to a family member (just barely), probably Patsy, but I think there is a rarely mentioned third option, other than the intruder theory. Which is it was an inside job from someone who was very close to the ramseys (and they are NOT in on it), like a worker at there home and or a very close friend. On this angle the mostlikely suspect is their disgruntled maid.

Ive studied alot of true crime/mystery/unexplained and IMHO opinion this case along with handful of others is a true mystery-the ripper, Bella in the witch hazel, the monster of Florence, area 51. Most all others Ive looked at im pretty satisfied with a strong degree of certainty I know who the suspect is and or the explanation.

This one has me pretty bamboozled.

Ive always believed in a perticular motive that i followed , that is the ramsays were heavily involved in the beauty pagent circus for all the wrong reasons. Im sure you can work out the rest from that . if not you can always p.m me

[c.d.]

Ive always believed in a perticular motive that i followed , that is the ramsays were heavily involved in the beauty pagent circus for all the wrong reasons. Im sure you can work out the rest from that . if not you can always p.m me

I never thought of that before but yeah, did all those people involved in the pageants share a certain mindset and interest that went way beyond the pageants themselves?

I always thought that it was one of the parents. The father was molesting her and killed her to cover it up or the wife found out and killed her out of jealousy.

c.d.

[FISHY1118]

Bingo.! First paragraph.

[Ms Diddles]

I know next to nothing about the case, but do think there is something fundamentally off with any parent who elects to dress their young daughter up like an adult prostitute and parade her around for her "prettiness" to be judged at such a tender age.

It's a grim, sad case.

[Abby Normal]

Hi CD and Fishy
yes if the parents were involved I beleive that was the motive-sexual child abuse by family members and an attempted cover up/staging. alot of the evidence seems to point that way.

[Abby Normal]

one reason this case has me so bamboozled is that as much evidence that point to the parents, seems like there is just as much that points to an unknown intruder:

the open/broken basement window with the suitcase underneath and scuff mark on the wall
the unknown matching male DNA on two seperate articles of her clothing(big one for me)
viable motive of kidnapping attempt that went awry
rarity of child sexual abuse of a child by parent resulting in death.
very recent unknown male bootprints in basement near where her body was found
no strong viable intruder suspects
The incredible amount of opportunity (pageants, opening there house for public tours, johns recent publicized success with his company etc) for an outsider to target her/them.

for me its an almost an exact balance that points either way. and then the third option monkey wrench that dosnt include the parents invovement-an inside job by the disgruntled maid.

For me this case is one of the biggest mysteries Ive ever encountered.

[c.d.]

Hello Abby,

I don't know much about this case. Are you speculating the maid might have killed her or that the maid allowed someone access to the house?

c.d.

[erobitha]

I believe there was a neighbour across the road who did occasional odd job work for them.

He would be worth further investigation, but I believe he is dead now.

[Abby Normal]

Hello Abby,

I don't know much about this case. Are you speculating the maid might have killed her or that the maid allowed someone access to the house?

c.d.

Hi cd
they had been having issues with there long time maid and she had recently been let go. She had asked Patsey for an unusually large amount of money because she was having financial problems and had made an odd remark to patsy, something along the line of -shes so pretty, arent you afraid someone might try to kidnap her?
The ramseys gave her name to police as someone whom they suspected could be involved.

It would explain alot of things, like how someone could know the layout of the home, the ramseys habits and patterns and more importaintly the exact amount of money that was in the ransome note which was the same amount Jon had gotten as a bonus that year (the maid having easy access to their house and affects could have known all this pretty easily). If the maid was involved I think more than likely it was her along with a male partner who actually did the crime but she was the master mind. so insider job botched kidnapping made to look like a sexual predator once it was all jacked up. or maybe her partner was a pedophile who once he had her under his control just couldnt help himself.

Its just another angle besides the unknown stranger/intruder vs family theories thats certainly viable and like I said adds another knot into this goat rope of a case.

[c.d.]

Thanks, Abby.

c.d.

[Harry D]

My problem with this case is very simple:

The ransom note implicates an inside-job.

The actual murder suggests an intruder.

Jonbenet had been garroted. Such a device would've been used for sadosexual pleasure. If Jonbenet had been accidentally struck on the head, there were other ways for the family to cover it up. They could've claimed she slipped in the bathtub or fell down the stairs rather than stage an elaborate kidnapping hoax and murder scene. There's also the matter of the unknown male DNA samples found under Jonbenet's fingernails and from her underwear that has not been matched to anyone.

[Abby Normal]

hi harry
one thing would be nice to know is who knew of the exact amount of jons bonus which the ransom note was demanding. we know jon and patsy of course. did the maid know? did he leave the paperwork in his office or lying around? who at his work knew?

the ransom note amount being the same as his bonus virtually rules out a stranger intruder. unless the amount was lying around the house in some paperwork or check receipt that the intruder found while he was rummaging around the house when they were out.

but i keep going back to the maid, because i think she may have known the amount of his bonus.

if i was the police i would have been on that money trail big time. find out who knew that amount and your killers amongst that group.