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  • #31
    Originally posted by Smoking Joe View Post
    The autopsy of Beryl showed no evidence of sperm in the Vagina...
    Dr Teare, who conducted the post-mortem, examined the vagina but no swab was taken. If he had mentioned when giving evidence the possibility of sexual penetration after death it could have suggested a motive for someone other than Evans - ie Christie.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by caz View Post
      If Evans had killed Beryl and the baby, he'd have had no reason to think Christie was a killer at all, and yet we know Christie had already murdered and disposed of two women on the premises, and was using one's thigh bone to prop up the fence! On the other hand, if Evans knew he hadn't killed anyone himself, he would have realised Christie was responsible, which makes sense of his accusation against a man who was undoubtedly a serial murderer.

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      Sorry ,but it does nothing of the sort.
      Evan's by all accounts was a pathological liar.I've highlighted just a few of those lies here. According to some ,he was indeed the original "Billy Liar".
      Who else could Evans accuse? The guy in the room above was infirm and in hospital at the time.So he at least was out of the running. Ethel perhaps?
      There was only Christie left.
      Using that logic ,nobody else in that street could have been convicted of murdering any female, because Christie lived at number 10,and as we know he was a serial killer ,therefore its self evident that Christie would have been responsible.
      And as I said earlier, even without any bias in Evan's favour one would have to admit ,at the very least ,that evans was an accessory to murder,even if its accessory after the fact, and guilty of conspiracy .

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      • #33
        Originally posted by caz View Post
        Dr Teare, who conducted the post-mortem, examined the vagina but no swab was taken. If he had mentioned when giving evidence the possibility of sexual penetration after death it could have suggested a motive for someone other than Evans - ie Christie.

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        Caz
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        "possibility" of sexual penetration after death as opposed to "certainty of penetration....." Which leads us to a suggested motive based on a "possibility". Too many "maybes" there for me.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Smoking Joe View Post
          Sorry ,but it does nothing of the sort.
          Evan's by all accounts was a pathological liar.I've highlighted just a few of those lies here. According to some ,he was indeed the original "Billy Liar".
          Who else could Evans accuse? The guy in the room above was infirm and in hospital at the time.So he at least was out of the running. Ethel perhaps?
          There was only Christie left.
          Using that logic ,nobody else in that street could have been convicted of murdering any female, because Christie lived at number 10,and as we know he was a serial killer ,therefore its self evident that Christie would have been responsible.
          And as I said earlier, even without any bias in Evan's favour one would have to admit ,at the very least ,that evans was an accessory to murder,even if its accessory after the fact, and guilty of conspiracy .
          When the game was finally up for Christie, he made at least four confessions to murdering Beryl Evans, changing the details each time. All murderers are liars, but the vast majority of liars are not murderers, and we know Christie was both. We also know he was cunning and manipulative, while Evans was gullible and stupid. When Christie told him his wife was dead and put the frighteners on him, he found himself in an impossible position. Of course he should have made sure the baby was safe and gone straight to the police with the truth as he understood it, but he would still have been the obvious suspect at that time.

          Whoever murdered Beryl used the same method on the baby and their bodies were found in exactly the same place, so the same man was responsible for both. Why would Christie have confessed at least four times to one of those murders if Evans had committed them and been rightly hanged for murder?

          Christie got a bit of a kick in prison out of the sexual nature of his crimes and claimed he was a decent man who had been led astray by wicked women. If he had ever confessed while in custody to murdering baby Geraldine in cold blood, he would have been despised by the other inmates and his personal safety would have been at risk.

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          Last edited by caz; 06-04-2013, 10:59 AM.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Smoking Joe View Post

            Evans also DID silly things too ... Sold his wife's belongings, clothes even wedding ring, and from the proceeds bought himself a new, flashy and expensive Camel hair coat with part of the proceeds.

            But wait, are we expected to believe that Ethel Christie was involved too? Was she his look out man? Because to believe Christie killed Beryl ,we have to believe that too. Paper thin walls ,while Reg merrily strangled ,raped and god knows what else ,Beryl sat downstairs browsing through "womans weekly" or knitting a woollen hat for dear old Reg ,blissfully unaware of the carnage taking place up stairs above her very head.

            Syd Dernley, who assisted at the hangings of both Evans and Christie, appeared on the Channel Four late night discussion programme After Dark on 7 October 1989, when the subject was Death Penalty?

            He offered viewers what he considered to be a vital piece of evidence that Evans did kill his wife.

            He said that what none of the books on the case mentioned was that when Beryl died, Evans removed her ring from her finger.

            Not only is it nothing remotely near to evidence of Evans' guilt, but it is not even true.


            On November 5 1949, Peter saw his sister [Beryl Evans] for the last time. She gave him her wedding ring, so Evans couldn’t sell it for gambling money.


            EXCLUSIVE: Beryl was killed along with her daughter Geraldine in 1949, with Beryl's husband Timothy Evans convicted and hanged for the two killings, before being pardoned posthumously in 1966 after John Christie's confession



            As for the story about Ethel Christie being downstairs at the time of Beryl's murder: she was not.

            She was not at home, just as when Christie killed all his other victims - with the exception of Mrs Christie herself.


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            • #36
              Originally posted by caz View Post
              Basically, Evans hanged because he was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and said a lot of silly things which only served to damage his credibility.

              If that's all it takes, a few people around here should be jolly glad that hanging will never be brought back in the UK - and that they don't live in the same house as an active serial killer.

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              Evans was hanged because almost everyone in court was against him.

              Robert Wood and Ronald Light were obviously guilty on the evidence presented in court, but the jurors sided with them - and if reports are true, the jurors in the Camden Town case would have had a hard time from the spectators had they gone against their wishes.

              The Evans trial was a shameful example of British hypocrisy at its worst, with the chief prosecution witness, a man who the court was told had served king and country and still suffered for it, being politely asked about his trouble with various acts of dishonesty and a particularly violent assault on a woman.

              The fact that the chief prosecution witness in a case in which a woman was murdered in the same house as the one in which he lived had himself been convicted of grievous bodily harm against a woman seems not to have troubled the jury or the judge at all.

              Christie was certainly treated with more respect than Evans, with Evans' defence counsel not even asking him to explain how a man with a long criminal record could have got to serve in the police force during the war.

              There can hardly have been another case which more painfully exposed the inadequacies of the adversarial system than this one.

              British justice was content to see an innocent man hanged and his conviction posthumously upheld rather than get to the bottom of what had really happened in number 10 Rillington Place.
              Last edited by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1; 05-07-2023, 11:50 PM.

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