Ghosts....?

[Phil H]

"Bug on lens" is surely a "mechanical" explanation - as against supernatural, mystical or religious, is it not?

Phil

[Futzbucket]

I guess it would be considered mechanical...I can't think where else to classify it. It doesn't quite fit though. How about "technical"? "Mechanical" kind of implies a malfunction of the camera.

For example, if you were a photographer and you were trying to take a photo of something, but bugs keep hitting your lens, so you hire a guy to wave a piece of paper to keep the bugs away, that man's job title would be a technician, not a mechanic.

[Phil H]

We both know what we are talking about and the distinction we are seeking to make, I think.

Phil

[Beowulf]

yeah, it's honest. Course on the internet you have to choose whether or not to believe me, but seriously if I knew how to use photshop, or even owned it, I would prob be using it to crop the photos of my paintings and not lose so many pixels. I don't own it, then again you have to believe me, sorry. I know how that is because I go through that with all other stuff about ghosts.

Really, I would accept any natural explanation if it is the truth, because I just want to know. That's why I put it up here, to see if anyone else can say. Just because no one here has doesn't mean someone with more knowledge would immediately recognize what that shadow is.

I put it here hoping to hear from someone is all, that really might know. After all if you had such a photo and had some ghost stuff happen in your house (the foot steps 5 years back) you would wonder too

I have no agenda to force it to be a ghost. I already have seen those (ghosts) and have no problem believing in ghosts but have had this photo around a while now, waiting for an explanation to come to me, it hasn't. Was looking for other opinions.

Btw, at the time there def was not a bug on the lens. I can see those when I shoot, there was none, but also I would think that if there were it would not allow the clarity of the objects behind it to show through, the table, the candlelight...

[Futzbucket]

Beo, when it comes to that effect, the only thing I know that can cause it is a bug. With that eliminated, I honestly have no idea what this is, which only makes it that more intriguing.

Now, if you're still interested in a supernatural explaination, then I'm more than happy to keep chatting about it. I love this stuff.

Now, if this is a shadow person, there are several types of them. The easiest way to tell with kind is from their head. This one is really hard to tell, because the head blends wonderfully into the painting in the background.

It looks like a "hooded" shadow person, but if this was true, then there should be a sense of anger whenever it's around. See, that's what they usually do, they inspire emotions that they feed upon.

The worst kind have glowing red eyes. So, you're kinda lucky. You've not mentioned any particular change in emotions, so I want to say you've got a lurker; a spirit that's literally just passing through. That's the problem though, it wasn't just passing through, was it? No, it's standing there staring at your food.

There's another kind, referred to as the "hat man", a shadowy figure wearing a wide-brimmed hat. Let's consider your photo again...



...it's really hard to tell with the painting, but what he's doing is what your typical "hat man" does. He appears, stares at something for a while, and then just vanishes. The only thing that's more curious than his behavior is that reports of this kind of shadow person happens all over the world.

Shadow people and sleep paralysis
Shadow people are most commonly described to a physician from a patient who complains of a strange encounter where they awoke in the middle of the night with a shadowy figure hovering above them. They can't move at all, and they feel pressure on their throat or chest inhibiting their breathing.

The patient is usually convinced that this shadow was responsible for this.

The only thing medical science can say to explain this is sleep paralysis; a condition where a person's mind becomes awake before the mind tells the body to start doing what you say.

I don't think you've got anything to worry about, because shadow people who behave like this are almost always described as having red eyes.

Shadow people and death
While the most common behavior pattern of basic shadow people (lurkers and hat men) are benign to the point of obliviousness, they have been described by people near death to congregate around the person. While this isn't the only occurrence type describing a congregation of shadow people, what is interesting is every time a dying person speaks of suddenly seeing shadow people, they always describe a congregation of anywhere from 10-20. They just start showing up, one after another, filling the room. The only times people claim to see a group of shadow people, it's typically 2-3.

Please allow me to show you what's considered to be a good photo of a shadow person...



...I'm only showing you this, because I'm hoping you'll appreciate why your photo interests me so much. I'm serious when I mean yours is one of the best I've seen.

[Phil H]

It's Tom Mix!!!

[Beowulf]

There's another kind, referred to as the "hat man", a shadowy figure wearing a wide-brimmed hat. Let's consider your photo again...



...it's really hard to tell with the painting, but what he's doing is what your typical "hat man" does. He appears, stares at something for a while, and then just vanishes. The only thing that's more curious than his behavior is that reports of this kind of shadow person happens all over the world.


Please allow me to show you what's considered to be a good photo of a shadow person...



...I'm only showing you this, because I'm hoping you'll appreciate why your photo interests me so much. I'm serious when I mean yours is one of the best I've seen.

Yeah, if that were my photo I would not even claim it to be anything but what it is a photo of a laundry room or whatever.

I think the darker areas on my painting may lend to the image of that hat, though.

Unless Phil's right and it IS Tom Mix

[Beowulf]

Now, if you're still interested in a supernatural explaination, then I'm more than happy to keep chatting about it. I love this stuff.

Now, if this is a shadow person, there are several types of them. The easiest way to tell with kind is from their head. This one is really hard to tell, because the head blends wonderfully into the painting in the background.

It looks like a "hooded" shadow person, but if this was true, then there should be a sense of anger whenever it's around. See, that's what they usually do, they inspire emotions that they feed upon.

The worst kind have glowing red eyes. So, you're kinda lucky. You've not mentioned any particular change in emotions, so I want to say you've got a lurker; a spirit that's literally just passing through. That's the problem though, it wasn't just passing through, was it? No, it's standing there staring at your food.

There's another kind, referred to as the "hat man", a shadowy figure wearing a wide-brimmed hat. Let's consider your photo again...



...it's really hard to tell with the painting, but what he's doing is what your typical "hat man" does. He appears, stares at something for a while, and then just vanishes. The only thing that's more curious than his behavior is that reports of this kind of shadow person happens all over the world.

Shadow people and sleep paralysis
Shadow people are most commonly described to a physician from a patient who complains of a strange encounter where they awoke in the middle of the night with a shadowy figure hovering above them. They can't move at all, and they feel pressure on their throat or chest inhibiting their breathing.

The patient is usually convinced that this shadow was responsible for this.

The only thing medical science can say to explain this is sleep paralysis; a condition where a person's mind becomes awake before the mind tells the body to start doing what you say.

I don't think you've got anything to worry about, because shadow people who behave like this are almost always described as having red eyes.

Shadow people and death
While the most common behavior pattern of basic shadow people (lurkers and hat men) are benign to the point of obliviousness, they have been described by people near death to congregate around the person. While this isn't the only occurrence type describing a congregation of shadow people, what is interesting is every time a dying person speaks of suddenly seeing shadow people, they always describe a congregation of anywhere from 10-20. They just start showing up, one after another, filling the room. The only times people claim to see a group of shadow people, it's typically 2-3.

Please allow me to show you what's considered to be a good photo of a shadow person...



...I'm only showing you this, because I'm hoping you'll appreciate why your photo interests me so much. I'm serious when I mean yours is one of the best I've seen.

Still considering your comments, and strangely enough, yes, I can see the faint blur of the hat, and wondering if its the painting...or that very bizarre 'hat man' thing I've heard about before.

Of course Shakespeare got it right with the 'more to heaven and earth than dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio'.

I am not one to dismiss based on the fear of the unknown. I would rather face my fear than go blissfully coward and hide my head in the sand like an ostrich.

I want the truth even if it's not my definition of the world or what religion says after life is or whatever. Thank you for looking at it as deeply as you have, still chewing over the material and still wishing I had an explanation for that shadow in my dining room.

Have to laugh at the idea he's staring at the food. He is Italian? Why would my dinner table call him up? Not thought of that one.

Really appreciate your thoughts

[crberger]

I've had two experiences

1. Myself and another person were in a corridor, late at night, working very mundane material, no spookiness and no discussion of the uncanny to predispose us. I mean it was mundane, not boring just typical work that we did at the time. We both someone someone further in the corridor and went to investigate, no one was supposed to be in the area and all the exterior doors were locked from the outside and the place was searched before beginning our work. But there someone was, we both saw him, definitely a him and we just put him down as another sort of civil servant, civilian clothes, nothing extraordinary except the place was absolutely freezing, we had been working in shirt sleeves, no jacket; it was after all, just the two of us and no need to stand on ceremony or protocol. We actually checked the thermostats and all the windows, nothing. We later found out that a civil servant had died unexpectedly while working late at night.

I was sleeping near a former battlefield, very messy, lots of casualties, some civilians but it had happened a long ago. In the middle of the night I woke up suddenly because it seemed as though someone had just thrown someone down next to me. There was actually an indentation in the bedding as though the bed clothes were underneath something long, roughly body shaped and heavy. No explanation until several days later when I discovered I had been sleeping in the precise spot where they had dumped a large number of unidentified persons.

I accept the idea, I am just skeptical of the experiences until all other possibilities have been checked.

"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth."

[Futzbucket]

It's Tom Mix!!!

And the mystery is solved.

[Richard E. Nixon]

From what I understand, the son from the Amityville case is trying to make some money off his story. The other kids, I believe, deny the haunting. I honestly don't believe the hypnotism theory. I think the Lutz's just realized that they couldn't afford their new house so they dreamed up a scheme as a possible money maker. The entire thing started when they began spending time with Ronnie DeFeo's lawyer. (DeFeo is the one who killed his entire family in the house.)

No family before or since in that house ever repored any hauntings. I've read the book and it's not even a good story. And none of the Lutz's claims hold water.

But getting back to ghosts, I've worked on Alcatraz Island for the last ten years and spent many overnights there, often sleeping in one of the D-Block cells. I can't say I've ever see a ghost there, but there are some extremely creepy parts of the island. I've definitely heard sounds I couldn't explain, and I have some co-workers who do claim they've seen ghosts there. Who knows?

[OctavBotnar]

From what I understand, the son from the Amityville case is trying to make some money off his story. The other kids, I believe, deny the haunting. I honestly don't believe the hypnotism theory. I think the Lutz's just realized that they couldn't afford their new house so they dreamed up a scheme as a possible money maker. The entire thing started when they began spending time with Ronnie DeFeo's lawyer. (DeFeo is the one who killed his entire family in the house.)

No family before or since in that house ever repored any hauntings. I've read the book and it's not even a good story. And none of the Lutz's claims hold water.

But getting back to ghosts, I've worked on Alcatraz Island for the last ten years and spent many overnights there, often sleeping in one of the D-Block cells. I can't say I've ever see a ghost there, but there are some extremely creepy parts of the island. I've definitely heard sounds I couldn't explain, and I have some co-workers who do claim they've seen ghosts there. Who knows?

Non hauntings past or present are not unusual.
Trouble is first experience people have of Amityville is the film and book- and that is never a good start as they sex things up
I 've seen recent interview with George Lutz where he stuck by his story 100%.He didn't need to do the interview and face cameras.Tbh (and maybe i am not good judge of character) i saw him as a decent and honest person.He came thru with a lot of integrity
The elder son insists on the haunting.Not aware of other kids denying haunting
"Danny's siblings didn't want to appear in the film.
Christopher is writing a book on the subject and Missy has never spoken about their time in Amityville."

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/movies/daniel-lutz-real-amityville-horror-victim-tells-his-story-in-new-documentary-1.4806550

[Sis]

Sorry Beowulf, I don’t known about the shadow in your photo, except it looks more like a shadow of a chair than a man to me.

I believe there are ghosts as my mother, grandmother and my children have seen ghosts. When my son was three he asked me who the man was in the corner of his room, I couldn’t see anyone in the room. I haven’t seen ghosts, only movements out of the corner of my eye, objects have been moved.
- Years ago when I was with my ex husband we work up on a calm August evening to the bedroom windows shaking violently. I thought it was an earthquake but when I check the following day there were no tremors recorded. The next time it happened it was a cold November evening. A little humor: After my ex and I had split, he said he was terrified when I ran out of the room to check on our baby leaving him alone with my father banging on the window. Apparently he thought my father was banging on the window at him as he’d been cheating on me (something I wasn’t aware of at the time). :

No one has died in my home but my father a previous owner passed away a few yrs before the first incident. A few years back a coat hanger flew out of the closet the evening my sister passed away, I asked if it was my sister or dad, footsteps were heard on the hardwood floors and stopped at the bottom of the bed. All was quiet after I said I was fine but someone needed to be with mom as she hadn’t been told my sister had passed away. When I seen my mother she told me my father had been with her all weekend.

I do believe some haunting could be recordings from past events.

[GUT]

G'Day all

If ghosts go around moving things, why oh why doesn't everyone see it happening?

[GUT]

Or do the ghosts wait until you're not looking. In which case why hasn't everyone experienced the "it's moved"?