The Monster of Glamis Castle

[Beowulf]

I have always found this interesting. Saw a little article on it and thought maybe some here would also like to read it.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2012/02/the-monster-of-glamis/

Also wondered if anyone has been to the castle, or heard anything other than the usual on this story.

Glamis Castle in the 18th century, shortly before its "mystery" began

[Magpie]

Ironically, I first read about the Monster of Glamis in the same book I first read about Jack the Ripper--Dan Farson's "Hamlyn Book Of Horror"

That was an awesome book.

[ChrisGeorge]

More here:

http://www.haunted-castles-and-hotel...and/glamis.htm

[jason_c]

Glamis(usually pronounced Glams) Castle is not too far from me. Its been years since I visited as a child. It was more well known for its supposed haunting than any monster. Its the first I've heard of a monster linked to the castle. Glamis Castle was also the home of the late Queen Mother's family. She grew up in the castle.

[ChrisGeorge]

Glamis(usually pronounced Glams) Castle is not too far from me.

Isn't that the only way to pronounce the name?

[jason_c]

Isn't that the only way to pronounce the name?

Locally its pronounced Glams. Whenever I've heard it pronounced in the national media(I mean British) they usually pronounce it Glamis. Its similar to an American pronouncing the L in Norfolk.

[ChrisGeorge]

Locally its pronounced Glams. Whenever I've heard it pronounced in the national media(I mean British) they usually pronounce it Glamis. Its similar to an American pronouncing the L in Norfolk.

Right and also War-wick, Lye-cester, and Bucking-HAM Palace, etc.

[Beowulf]

More here:

http://www.haunted-castles-and-hotel...and/glamis.htm

Boy, was that first link interesting! I subscribed to Ripperologist last night, and am looking forward to reading my first issue!

Of course I don't really understand the last link about the pronounciations, I take it they are NOT pronounced that way? No haaam in the buck?

Jason, were I close to that castle I would love to see it, how lucky you are to have done so.

Ghosts are another whole subject, seen some, they fascinate me. Seems they are always the drama queens.

[The Grave Maurice]

No haaam in the buck?

No, the last syllable is pronounced more or less as an afterthought and sounds like "um" with the "u" pretty much swallowed.

The place name that continues to confuse me, though, is Marylebone. I've heard that pronounced several different ways, even by Londoners.

[John Savage]

And of course we have that old chestnut of the Duke of Clarence having being incarcerated at Glamis after a "sham death" at Sandringham in 1892. He supposedly stayed at Glamis until he died in 1933.

As told by Joseph Gorman Sickert in "The Ripper and the Royals", by Melvyn Fairclough, Duckworth, London 1991.

Rgds
John

[Beowulf]

And of course we have that old chestnut of the Duke of Clarence having being incarcerated at Glamis after a "sham death" at Sandringham in 1892. He supposedly stayed at Glamis until he died in 1933.

As told by Joseph Gorman Sickert in "The Ripper and the Royals", by Melvyn Fairclough, Duckworth, London 1991.

Rgds
John

Did not know that. Wonder if there's any truth to it.

[Carol]

The place name that continues to confuse me, though, is Marylebone. I've heard that pronounced several different ways, even by Londoners.

Hello Maurice,

Same here! When I was young, in Kent, people used to say 'Mah-lee-bone'. Since 'growing up' I've also heard it pronounced in several different ways, mainly on the telly (English channels) as I live in Sweden. I would LOVE to know how to pronounce it correctly!

Carol

[ChrisGeorge]

Originally Posted by

The place name that continues to confuse me, though, is Marylebone. I've heard that pronounced several different ways, even by Londoners.

Hello Maurice,

Same here! When I was young, in Kent, people used to say 'Mah-lee-bone'. Since 'growing up' I've also heard it pronounced in several different ways, mainly on the telly (English channels) as I live in Sweden. I would LOVE to know how to pronounce it correctly!

Carol

Marry-leh-bon (bone is also common usage too).

This comes from the thirteenth century and takes it's name from the church in the vicinity called St Mary-by-the-Tyburn, or as it would have been pronounced in French, the language of the aristocracy/landed classes, St Mary-a-le-Bourne (a bourne or burn being a small river or stream).
Source(s):
Former London tour guide [voters' choice on Yahoo]

[ChrisGeorge]

And of course we have that old chestnut of the Duke of Clarence having being incarcerated at Glamis after a "sham death" at Sandringham in 1892. He supposedly stayed at Glamis until he died in 1933.

As told by Joseph Gorman Sickert in "The Ripper and the Royals", by Melvyn Fairclough, Duckworth, London 1991.

Rgds
John

This sounds as if it relies on the other legends about Glamis Castle, about the link to the Royals, Scottish and British, and the ghosties. As with many things to do with the Royal Conspiracy, it rests largely on a guilt by association type of argument. And as with all those bits of Royal Conspiracy claptrap it sounds "good" until you really examine it.

Chris

[John Savage]

Hi Chris

Claptrapn I have not heard that word for a long time, but you sum the story up in a word, well done!

I just thought to mention it whilst we were on the subject of Glamis.

Rgds
John