Ufology

[Scorpio]

Who is the most incompetent UFO hoaxer of all time?. I have seen some pretty lame efforts; but a Mexican one with ' laser beam ' effect straight out of Blakes Seven is my personal favourite.

[Bridewell]

Chariots of the Gods

Who is the most incompetent UFO hoaxer of all time?. I have seen some pretty lame efforts; but a Mexican one with ' laser beam ' effect straight out of Blakes Seven is my personal favourite.

Hi Scorpio,

Erich von Daniken perhaps, although I remember really enjoying his book as as impressionable 21-year-old.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Scorpio]

Hi Scorpio,

Erich von Daniken perhaps, although I remember really enjoying his book as as impressionable 21-year-old.

Regards, Bridewell.

I think Von Daniken is far to slick to be a hoaxer; he has not tried to peddle any
hub cap on a string efforts yet, not like that old Swiss geezer,or Adamski.

[sdreid]

Yes, George Adamski and Billy Meier would have to be up there.

[Bridewell]

Von Daniken

I think Von Daniken is far to slick to be a hoaxer; he has not tried to peddle any
hub cap on a string efforts yet, not like that old Swiss geezer,or Adamski.

Yes, on reflection, hoaxer is probably the wrong word for Von Daniken. I don't think he falsified anything. Some of his interpretation was quirky though.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Supe]

Bridewell,

Some of his interpretation was quirky though.

Some? And just "quirky"?

Don.

[Bridewell]

Some & Quirky

Bridewell,

Some of his interpretation was quirky though.

Some? And just "quirky"?

Don.

Hi Don,

I'm thinking 'some' and 'quirky' aren't libelous!

Regards, Bridewell.

[Scorpio]

A fake UFO that was used in some famous shots was discovered in someones attic.An innocent man?;Maybe it was a toy Millenium Falcon.

[Beowulf]

You know, I never bought Roswell, and quite few other famous sighting in retrospect can easily be explained by the experimental aircraft of the day. But the lights over Arizona... that's pretty mysterious.

I live in Phoenix Az, at the time of those lights. Unfortunately I was indoors and missed it, darn.

But years later I met up with an old friend who never had an interest in anything mysterious or supernatural. He had mostly an interest in rock music and girls, he played lead guitar.

He told me emphatically he saw the Phoenix lights. He was driving on I-17, along with the rest of the freeway crowd, and saw them. He said everyone slowed down to a crawl and were looking out of their windows. He was afraid he was going to be in a car accident.

I asked him what it looked like, and he said it was triangular and blotted out all the stars and was huge, indicating it covered most of the sky above him.

All I can say for that is he was the most unlikely candidate to tell me that story, which makes me wonder. Of course you've prob read all the important people that saw it and that the local airforce, I think, said they had no idea what it was.

Thousands reported it to the police and news that night and it's frustrating to not have been outside that night. I do wish I saw it, too.

[Supe]

Bridewell,

I'm thinking 'some' and 'quirky' aren't libelous!

I understand. LOL

Don.

[Scott Nelson]

Howard Menger, George Hunt Williamson (Brother Phillip).

[Scorpio]

Travis Walton

Travis Walton claims he was a reluctant prisoner of E.T's for a while. I get the feeling when listening to Waltons tale, that he is trapped in a fiction in which he can no longer escape from.

[kensei]

Travis Walton claims he was a reluctant prisoner of E.T's for a while. I get the feeling when listening to Waltons tale, that he is trapped in a fiction in which he can no longer escape from.

There is Travis Walton's actual account, and then there is the movie "Fire in the Sky" which wasn't bad but which took an awful lot of liberties as always happens and in fact completely rewrote and fictionalized the part in which he was conscious aboard the UFO. The scene in which he was first taken though, in full view of a half dozen witnesses, was done pretty accurately except for what the UFO looked like.

I've heard several t.v. and radio interviews with Travis and some of the other witnesses to his case. None of them got rich out of it or really even tried to. And bottom line- I fail to see how anyone can be unimpressed by the fact that seven men all passed lie detector tests concerning this case. (Yes, Alan Dallis' first test was inconclusive, but he was later retested and passed.) Admittedly, polygraphs do not establish truth, they establish what the subject believes to be the truth. Why would seven men all bear truthful witness to Travis' story unless they actually watched it happen?

I think I should also say that those men aren't necessarily insisting that they saw an E.T. spacecraft from another planet. They are just describing what they saw in a "I don't know what the hell it was" kind of way. Travis himself, of course, is in a class by himself since he was the only one who says he saw the aliens inside the craft.

[sdreid]

I think the first claimed alien abduction was a Brazilian farmer named Antonio Boas in 1957. It's not so widely known probably because it didn't occur in the Anglosphere. You had the so-called contactees before that but they were willingly taking their flying saucer rides.

[Scorpio]

I think the first claimed alien abduction was a Brazilian farmer named Antonio Boas in 1957. It's not so widely known probably because it didn't occur in the Anglosphere. You had the so-called contactees before that but they were willingly taking their flying saucer rides.

The Americas have a strange connection with the extra-terrestrial concept that is hard to fathom. Many cultures in Eurasia,Asia, and Africa also have something similar, but not so pervasive. The mexicans in particular seem obsessed with UFO's and the E.T explanation.