Billie Jo Jenkins

[nugnug]

personally i think levi ballfield killed her its his mo and he did work in susex brefielly as a wheel clamper though i don't know weather this was at the same time as the murder.


weather the things said about jenkens by his wife others are true or not and theres no real proof that they are all that proves is his not a nice man it does not really prove he killed anybody.

realistically he did not have time to commit this murder.

as for the tramp i cant see that there's any more evidence against him than there is against Jenkins.

[jimornot?]

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Didn't Sion Jenkins end up with a millionairess who befriended him, poor soul?

Graham

Hi Graham

Married her in fact

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viv

[Graham]

I have a friend who lived in Hastings at the time of Billie Jo's murder, and she told me that there wasn't a great deal of sympathy for Sion Jenkins - which doesn't necessarily mean that folks believed he did it; it just means that he apparently was not a popular person in the community. My friend also told me that at virtually any time of day or night around Hastings there were tramps, drunks and general odd-balls wandering around. Sounds like any other seaside town.

Not that I know a great deal about the case, but I think I have to go along with Woffinden (hard decision, reference my thoughts re: Hanratty) and say that IMHO Sion Jenkins didn't do it. The police withheld some evidence, apparently, and also the prosecution case was weak. The timings weren't right.

I assume that the police are not investigating any other suspect(s) regarding this crime....

Didn't Sion Jenkins end up with a millionairess who befriended him, poor soul?

Graham

[Limehouse]

Hi everyone

Woffinden seems convinced of Jenkins' innocence but I am unsure. There are strong allegations of domestic violence against him and other claims that he was a control freak.

However - there were also claims that a strange man had been seen in the area and the defence put forward a compelling case to explain the spots of blood on his jacket.

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Chris,

My Rottwieler is called O.J. He's big, he's black, he can run faster than any man, he loves to play ball games and everyone tells me that I let him get away with murder!!!

Best wishes,

Zodiac.

Nice one !

[sdreid]

Yes, here in the U.S., you actually have to sue (or petition) the State to be declared innocent. Most don't bother. Sam Sheppard's family tried it a few years ago and failed. I believe a former convict (Jennifer Lockmiller murder) here in Illinois named Alan Beaman might be on the path to doing it. A successful finding is being called a "certification of innocence". Despite some people's beliefs, even pardons or commutations are not necessarily a findings of innocence. It may just mean that the person in power thinks you've been punished enough even if you did it.

[Zodiac]

If the glove don't fit, it don't mean sh*t!!! LOL.

For some reason I was reminded of the comment by Diane Abbott - the next prime minister - on the O. J. Simpson trial.

Hi Chris,

My Rottwieler is called O.J. He's big, he's black, he can run faster than any man, he loves to play ball games and everyone tells me that I let him get away with murder!!!

Best wishes,

Zodiac.

[Chris]

I believe that in Scottish Law they have verdicts of "Proven", the equivalent of "Guilty" in English law. "Not Guilty", exactly as in the English system and one of "Not Proven", which I think would probably be the verdict in this case, had it occurred in Scotland.

For some reason I was reminded of the comment by Diane Abbott - the next prime minister - on the O. J. Simpson trial.

[jimornot?]

Where do these tales of domestic abuse come from? Is it more than one source or just from the wife?

hi Bob

certainly mainly his ex wife stated it. Apparently friends of Biilie Jo spoke of her suffering in silence (can't recall if there was anything more specific given other than the notion that if the truth got out both parents would lose their jobs - he as a teacher, she as something to do with social work)

i seem to recall other witnesses alluding to it but really can't be definite and if such people exist at all, they may have been jumping on the bandwagon.

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viv

[kennyo]

Billie Jo

If only Billie Jo could talk...

But murdered foster daughters can't tell tales, can they?

I just hope Jenkins never loses his temper again. He's a strange one. He lied about his qualifications on his job application but he's obviously no thicko. Yet he reacted with anger and surprise when the police, who didn't know him from Adam at the time of the murder, wanted to question him about it. He thought that a man of his lofty position should have automatically been considered above suspicion and was resentful to find he wasn't.

That kind of arrogant denial reminds me of Shipman.

Love,

Caz
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Shipman always had the look of a killer in his eyes, believe me I'm usually quite a good guesser but this bloke just doesn't look like a killer to me. It's a strange case though and the police enquiries seemed to have stopped which is never a good sign. The previous thread was right though, he was never found innocent, two juries couldn't return a majority verdict... a stalemate under British Law.

[caz]

If only Billie Jo could talk...

But murdered foster daughters can't tell tales, can they?

I just hope Jenkins never loses his temper again. He's a strange one. He lied about his qualifications on his job application but he's obviously no thicko. Yet he reacted with anger and surprise when the police, who didn't know him from Adam at the time of the murder, wanted to question him about it. He thought that a man of his lofty position should have automatically been considered above suspicion and was resentful to find he wasn't.

That kind of arrogant denial reminds me of Shipman.

Love,

Caz
X

[Bob Hinton]

Very interesting but,

Thanks Zodiac and Viv. It struck me that as his behaviour previously towards his wife, was reported as being less than ok [from the point of view of domestic violence] I am inclined to be unconvinced of his innocence.
Norma

Where do these tales of domestic abuse come from? Is it more than one source or just from the wife?

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Zodiac and Viv. It struck me that as his behaviour previously towards his wife, was reported as being less than ok [from the point of view of domestic violence] I am inclined to be unconvinced of his innocence.
Norma

[jimornot?]

I believe that in Scottish Law they have verdicts of "Proven", the equivalent of "Guilty" in English law. "Not Guilty", exactly as in the English system and one of "Not Proven", which I think would probably be the verdict in this case, had it occurred in Scotland.

Best wishes,

Zodiac.

I agree Zodiac - wonder why English law has not adopted this? Would eliminate all questions of compensation for wrongful arrest I'd think

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viv

[jimornot?]

You are correct Ally.It is for the prosecution to prove guilt and two juries failed to agree in this case.This doesn"t mean they found him innocent.
The tramp story has not been corroborated as I understand.
His then wife and four children will have nothing to do with him.They have gone to live in Australia.

hi Norma

I understood that the tramp was the first suspect for the police. It may not ahve been a tramp in fact but potentially a local man with mental illness who was behaving starngely on the night of the murder. But if he had mental illness, he might not always behave in a consitent mamer anyway???

I believe SJ's ex wife later gave accounts of mood swings and aggression which might have helped convince her of the possibility of hiss guilt. There are all kinds of rumours about his treatment of the girls including apparently hitting them with a slipper or a naughty stick and evidence given in court from Billie Jo's frineds indicated she had confided in them of being subjected to some violence

I thought that 2 of his daughters (in one of his appeals) more or less verified his alibi in that he followed them fairly quickly to the car on the way to a DIY shop although the visit was thought to have been proven as unnecessary.

I think overall you are quite right he was not found guilty but not given a ringing endoresment either of being innocent.

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viv