The Shroud Of Turin

[Celesta]

Hi Jukka,

While that's true, Brown was writing a fictional novel, one that I thought was pretty good. Anyone buying into it has only thereselves to blame. However, I do personally feel that Mary Magdelene was more important to Christ's ministry than is generally believed and I think it's a shame that so many people blame Christ himself for events that have occurred in his name after his death.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I agree with you, Tom. I think she was more important than many people believe. I also agree with what you said about Christ.

[The Good Michael]

There must be a problem with the French translation.

I don't think so David. It was a rip-off of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' which was just a load of made-up stuff by Frenchmen looking to bring business to their area, and another Frenchman working with an associate to try and instill some mystique into his persona as some relation to Christ.

Mike

[DVV]

I agree with you, Tom. I think she was more important than many people believe.

I agree, Cel, but it's already in the Gospels.
She went to the sepulchre and was thus somehow the first witness of resurrection.

Amitiés ma chère,
David

[DVV]

I don't think so David. It was a rip-off of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' which was just a load of made-up stuff by Frenchmen looking to bring business to their area, and another Frenchman working with an associate to try and instill some mystique into his persona as some relation to Christ.

Mike

French aren't gifted for business and mystique, I'm afraid.

Amitiés,
David

[Celesta]

I don't think so David. It was a rip-off of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' which was just a load of made-up stuff by Frenchmen looking to bring business to their area, and another Frenchman working with an associate to try and instill some mystique into his persona as some relation to Christ.

Mike

Yes, it was very much based on that, but others talked about Mary Magdalene being the Grail, etc. Specifically some of the goddess followers. I may be wrong, but I'm sure the theory started with HB, HG. I know that some of the goddess ladies were talking about Mary early on. The lawsuit by HB, HG authors was not decided in their favor, was it, Mike? I think part of the success of The Davinci Code was that it caught people by surprise. Since I had read a lot of goddess stuff, it was no surprise.

[Celesta]

I agree, Cel, but it's already in the Gospels.
She went to the sepulchre and was thus somehow the first witness of resurrection.

Amitiés ma chère,
David

Yes, I know, but there may be other evidence, too. I don't profess to be an expert.

[Archaic]

Hi Cel.
I agree with you and Tom, and also with David.

My understanding of what David is saying is that Mary being the first witness of Christ's Resurrection isn't an accident, but a sign of special grace.

Hope we all know the details some day.

Best regards, Archaic

[DVV]

Hi Cel.
I agree with you and Tom, and also with David.

My understanding of what David is saying is that Mary being the first witness of Christ's Resurrection isn't an accident, but a sign of special grace.

Hope we all know the details some day.

Best regards, Archaic

Hello Archaic,

that's it indeed, and / but what more than that ?

Amitiés,
David

[Archaic]

Hello Archaic,

that's it indeed, and / but what more than that ?

Amitiés,
David

God only knows, mon ami.

Best regards, L'Archaic

[DVV]

Indeed.

That's why I ask without asking.

Amitiés ma chère,
David

[Celesta]

Hi Cel.
I agree with you and Tom, and also with David.

My understanding of what David is saying is that Mary being the first witness of Christ's Resurrection isn't an accident, but a sign of special grace.

Hope we all know the details some day.

Best regards, Archaic

Hi Archy, I knew what he meant. It's what the goddess people thought, too. I'm not inclined to doubt them, David, or Tom. I'm just saying there may be more. I was thinking of the Gospel of Mary, which is here somewhere, but which I can't seem to lay my hands on right now. It's just that that opens a whole new argument/discussion, which I didn't really want to start. In fact the question 'what more than that?' was already asked. So I figured that "the other evidence" that I mentioned wouldn't be considered necessary. This is taking into consideration my interest in Biblical scholarship, mostly of the New Testament.

[DVV]

Cel, I have no problem to discuss the Apocrypha - as soon as people understand that they are what they are, ie : late and apocryphal texts, which in no way contain any truth hidden by a Malicious Church.

Amitiés ma chère,
David

[Celesta]

RE: post 140

I meant to say that I wasn't sure that it started with Holy Grail, Holy Blood. Maybe it did.

[Celesta]

Cel, I have no problem to discuss the Apocrypha - as soon as people understand that they are what they are, ie : late and apocryphal texts, which in no way contain any truth hidden by a Malicious Church.

Amitiés ma chère,
David

I'm not thinking about the Church, although it would be interesting to have other insights into Jesus. Whoever he was he certainly had a powerful influence on his followers. Powerful enough for them to risk prison or even death, in some cases. I'm talking about the people who knew him and kept his teachings going.

I still see and cherish certain candles someone lit for me and my loved ones and will never forget those candles. Ever.

Sleep well, David.

[DVV]

Sorry Cel, my mistake.
The "Gospel of Mary" led me to the Apocrypha - it's a Coptic text, you know, and Ethiopia is on my mind, always.

Apologies.