The Shroud Of Turin

[belinda]

Belinda seems to take great pride in her atheism. No doubt it makes her feel smart.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

No not a bit. Your Christianity seems to make you feel you are vastly superior to me and maybe you are but not because you believe in God.

I am an Atheist because I cannot find any good convincing reason to believe in the Gods of any religions.

Christianty does not have a lot to be proud of.It has spent 2000 years persecuting other people for their beliefs or lack of them. It has brought only death and destruction that I can see and I want no part of that

[Jonathan H]

Well said, Belinda.

[DVV]

Believing in Christ doesn't mean approving the crimes of the past.

Atheist governments do kill as well.

And your atheism doesn't make you their accomplices.

Amitiés,
David

[Magpie]

Really? When?

Actually way back when it was first "discovered" and put on display, the Vatican declared that it was a fabricated object and ordered the owners to stop advertising it as the burial cloth of Christ.

And although the Vatican is very coy about declaring it "real" today, the pomp and ceremony with which new exhibitions are announced and staged tells us a lot.

[Ally]

Every religion throughout time has brought death and destruction as part of its myth. Christianity is hardly unique or a rarity in that regard. As with all religions that view death as redemptive and something to be venerated, they can therefore see it as justified.

The worst of Christianity is the smothering of reason and scientific progress that was part of its campaign. Keep the peons ignorant and you keep control of them. It is not unlike what is occurring in some parts of the Islamic world today. However, we would probably be much further on in terms of progress if not for a campaign of unenlightment in the middle ages. Hundreds of years of scientific progress lost, heck, we could all have flying cars that ran on sunbeams by now. Religion in all its various forms has always been the opposite of reason.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

This conversation is getting even more interesting.

The thing making me wonder, is:

To my knowledge there were about 32 gospels, some possibly even by the disciples.

So; why these four are the official ones?! Why there isn't a gospel possibly written by a disciple in the Bible?!

All the best
Jukka

[DVV]

Hi Jukka,

more interesting ?

Not sure.

Yesterday we were back to the 19th century, today it's the 18th...

As for the canonical gospels, it's worth noting that that of John has been somehow reluctantly accepted, as it seems.

The apocryphal texts mostly belong to the gnostic literature and are undoubtedly more recent than the 3 synoptic gospels.

Amitiés,
David

[j.r-ahde]

Hello David!

And if I remember correctly, the one by John is supposed to have been written pretty much later than the others!

All the best
Jukka

[DVV]

Hello David!

And if I remember correctly, the one by John is supposed to have been written pretty much later than the others!

All the best
Jukka

That's right Jukka, hence the debates before it has been evidently accepted. (That was an example of the "apocalyptic literature that flourished at the time.)

Amitiés,
David

[johnjobie]

science versus religion

Ther are a lot of people in my class that are fighting this issue through and we want some new idea's I myself says that there many conspiracies hidden by the church but also does science like how people hide about alchemy, why church destroyed some of the page of the real bible, the shroud of turin, and other stuff like that, if some one could please give as some more leads about conspiracies in science, religion, modern stature and other thing like that i also wants to know if other suspect James Kelly as JtR is someone does can u help me find more leads and evidence or few picture some book title can even help

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi John. The book on James Kelly that you'll want is the one by Jim Tully, I believe it's Prisoner 1167: Was this Madman Jack the Ripper? I may have the prisoner number wrong. As for religious conspiracies, the most prominent is how the Catholics cover for their gay and pedophile priests, and have done so forever. Be sure to keep Christ and his message completely seperate from modern churches as there's very little the two share in common.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[DVV]

Hi Tom,

the Ethiopian poet Mulugeta Tesfay once told me : "Who can show me a better God than Jesus ?"

I couldn't. I can't.

Amitiés,
David

[ChainzCooper]

I think you guys may be looking at this backwards. There was an excellent South Park story arc on that deals with this very subject of whats real and whats not. I mean when you get down to it maybe its all part of the same thing, God, Jesus, Buddha, Leprechauns, Heaven/Hell,Santa, Aliens,etc. These ideals/characters, real or not, were here long before we were and will be here long after we're gone right? People draw inspiration from them and it enrichs their lives. Doesn't that make them real? Maybe more real than any of us. Just my thoughts.

[Celesta]

There's something in what you say, Jordan. It's as if people have always needed these. Perhaps because the world is so immense, and we are so minute and have little control over what happens on so many levels.

[Stephen Thomas]

the Ethiopian poet Mulugeta Tesfay once told me : "Who can show me a better God than Jesus ?"

I couldn't. I can't.

Try Political Correctness David.

It's Christianity without the mumbo jumbo.

The New Testament was cobbled together by Alexandrian Greeks mindful of Plato's noble lie theory.

Love your enemy. How radical is that?