The Shroud Of Turin

[DVV]

Hi Cel.
I agree with you and Tom, and also with David.

My understanding of what David is saying is that Mary being the first witness of Christ's Resurrection isn't an accident, but a sign of special grace.

Hope we all know the details some day.

Best regards, Archaic

Hello Archaic,

that's it indeed, and / but what more than that ?

Amitiés,
David

[Archaic]

Hi Cel.
I agree with you and Tom, and also with David.

My understanding of what David is saying is that Mary being the first witness of Christ's Resurrection isn't an accident, but a sign of special grace.

Hope we all know the details some day.

Best regards, Archaic

[Celesta]

I agree, Cel, but it's already in the Gospels.
She went to the sepulchre and was thus somehow the first witness of resurrection.

Amitiés ma chère,
David

Yes, I know, but there may be other evidence, too. I don't profess to be an expert.

[Celesta]

I don't think so David. It was a rip-off of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' which was just a load of made-up stuff by Frenchmen looking to bring business to their area, and another Frenchman working with an associate to try and instill some mystique into his persona as some relation to Christ.

Mike

Yes, it was very much based on that, but others talked about Mary Magdalene being the Grail, etc. Specifically some of the goddess followers. I may be wrong, but I'm sure the theory started with HB, HG. I know that some of the goddess ladies were talking about Mary early on. The lawsuit by HB, HG authors was not decided in their favor, was it, Mike? I think part of the success of The Davinci Code was that it caught people by surprise. Since I had read a lot of goddess stuff, it was no surprise.

[DVV]

I don't think so David. It was a rip-off of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' which was just a load of made-up stuff by Frenchmen looking to bring business to their area, and another Frenchman working with an associate to try and instill some mystique into his persona as some relation to Christ.

Mike

French aren't gifted for business and mystique, I'm afraid.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

I agree with you, Tom. I think she was more important than many people believe.

I agree, Cel, but it's already in the Gospels.
She went to the sepulchre and was thus somehow the first witness of resurrection.

Amitiés ma chère,
David

[The Good Michael]

There must be a problem with the French translation.

I don't think so David. It was a rip-off of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' which was just a load of made-up stuff by Frenchmen looking to bring business to their area, and another Frenchman working with an associate to try and instill some mystique into his persona as some relation to Christ.

Mike

[Celesta]

Hi Jukka,

While that's true, Brown was writing a fictional novel, one that I thought was pretty good. Anyone buying into it has only thereselves to blame. However, I do personally feel that Mary Magdelene was more important to Christ's ministry than is generally believed and I think it's a shame that so many people blame Christ himself for events that have occurred in his name after his death.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I agree with you, Tom. I think she was more important than many people believe. I also agree with what you said about Christ.

[DVV]

Brown was writing a fictional novel, one that I thought was pretty good.
Tom Wescott

There must be a problem with the French translation.

Amitiés,
David

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Jukka,

While that's true, Brown was writing a fictional novel, one that I thought was pretty good. Anyone buying into it has only thereselves to blame. However, I do personally feel that Mary Magdelene was more important to Christ's ministry than is generally believed and I think it's a shame that so many people blame Christ himself for events that have occurred in his name after his death.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Celesta]

True, Jukka.

Anyway, the New Testament is more interesting when it's kept in it's historical context. I don't pretend to be an expert, but it's an interesting subject that I've read about. Some of the things written in the Gospels have to do with political machinations in the early Jesus movement, jockeying between the Jewish Christians and the more Gentile sects, say up until about 100 CE. The apostle Paul did not speak of miracles. Those came with the later Gospels. I think people were often describing what they experienced with Jesus, as they were actual miracles, and they fell back on old Hebrew traditions and drew parallels. At least that's what I've read thus far. Once again, I'm not a Biblical scholar. Just find it interesting.

Perhaps "political" was not the right word. I should say doctrinal and whether Gentiles should have to adhere to certain Jewish laws.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Tom!

Well, the most ludicrous religious conspiracy theory can be found in Dan Brown's best-seller!

All the best
Jukka

[The Grave Maurice]

Happy now?

[Tom_Wescott]

I see, well put smiley faces after your joke the next time!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[The Grave Maurice]

Naw, I was just trying to be funny.