kennedy assassination

[jimarilyn]

Hi James,

I've always thought that the very fact that Ruby was allowed access to the basement, and shot LHO in front of the world's media, was proof enough that there was a conspiracy. It seems logical to me that LHO was killed to stop him talking.

A very logical conclusion Graham. Dead men tell no tales and are no longer around to prove their innocence.

It's very revealing that the morning after Lee Oswald's execution Nicholas Katzenbach ( the deputy Attorney General ) wrote out a memorandum to Bill Moyes (the channel to LBJ) which in essence said..."We have to convince the world that Oswald was the sole assassin and the evidence was such that he would have been convicted had he been brought to trial"

This is truly unbelievable, coming as it did less than 3 days after the assassination. Before they had collected any evidence !


Further on the amazing list of coincidences/similarities re. John Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln, did you know that there was a movie made 12 years prior to the assassination called "The Tall Target" starring Dick Powell. I have seen this fascinating film several times. The film is set mostly on a train and concerns a plot to kill Abe Lincoln before he reaches his intended destination. Dick Powell's character is assigned an undercover job to protect Lincoln from a would be assassin. His character's name............none other than John Kennedy !! Now that is something !

[Phryne Fisher]

Graham:

Yep. Ruby's action was proof of conspiracy. Along with all the other dodgy goings-on that weekend.

Don't know enough about Lincoln to comment on the rest; I should do some reading about it. An interesting factette I read somewhere: Lincoln's secretary was called Kennedy; Kennedy's was Evelyn Lincoln. Heh.

Limehouse and c.d.:

Haven't been to Arlington to see that photo, but I imagine it was heart-wrenching, and the one of little JFK junior's salute is breath-takingly poignant. For me, the most touching image is the one of Jackie standing, stunned with shock yet calm and dignified, in her blood-bespattered pink suit beside LBJ on Air Force One while he swears the Presidential Oath. On JFK's missal.

[Graham]

Hi James,

I've always thought that the very fact that Ruby was allowed access to the basement, and shot LHO in front of the world's media, was proof enough that there was a conspiracy. It seems logical to me that LHO was killed to stop him talking.

LHO and John Wilkes Booth were both rather unhappy, unfilled individuals (even though Booth's career was somewhat more successful that Oswald's); both held radical political views; both were connected to radical politics.

Also interesting is that the authorities took immediate steps to deny a conspiracy in the case of JFK, but assumed right from the beginning that in Lincoln's case there was a conspiracy - they instantly rounded up anyone and everyone they thought might be involved.

Can't imagine LHO quoting Brutus when he shot JFK, though...

Cheers,

Graham

[Limehouse]

Equally heartbreaking is the photograph of his infant son and that salute.

Whatever Kennedy was, and I know very little about the subject and do not even remember his death, those left behind suffered greatly at his loss.

[c.d.]

Hi Pettifogger,

I don't know if you have ever been to Arlington National Cemetary but there is a blown up photograph on the wall of Jackie Kennedy at the grave site when JFK was being laid to rest. It is hard to look at it even after all these years. The look of pain and sorrow on her face is heart breaking.

c.d.

[jimarilyn]

70 today

Had he survived the shooting, Lee Oswald might have been celebrating his 70th birthday today. The hoodlum, Jack Ruby, made sure that possibility would never exist and in effect caused 46 years of chaos and confusion to reign as to the truth about the assassination and what dark and powerful forces were behind it. Who mourns for the innocent patsy, Lee Oswald, I wonder ?

It's very interesting to note what Ruby had to say (in a filmed interview in Dallas Jail) about the subject......

Ruby - "Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my motives...The people who had to have so much to gain, and had such an ulterior motive to put me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world."

Interviewer - "Are these people in very high positions Jack ?"

Ruby - "Yes"

[Ally]

I don't yet know if I believe it. However, in order for something like a presidential assassination to occur, only one little thing needs to go wrong. There were so many lapses in security and so many irregularities that occurred that day that it does seem to be beyond the realm of probable chance. The footage of Emory Roberts ordering the secret service off kennedy's limo was what made me start wondering. Because if the two agents had been on the foot rails where they were supposed to have been, the shot would not have been able to occur. So in any case...just currently wondering. I don't usually subscribe to conspiracy theories as they are usually way too convoluted, and my "theory" is probably not so much a plot as an "allowed to happen" or did not prevent.

[jason_c]

I may slowly be coming to the conclusion that there might have been a conspiracy to kill JFK. I don't believe at all in the grassy knoll crap, the footage clearly shows the wound entering at the back of his head and the propulsion going out the front. I have no firm belief whether Oswald was the actual shooter or the patsy, but I believe the shot came from the Book depository. However, I after looking at some things, I am starting to say.."hmmm". Just a niggle currently.

Can I ask why you are starting to doubt LHO acted alone?

[Pettifogger]

If the you follow the conspiracy theory...

of the JFK assassination in Dallas, you start first with a list of those least likely to mourn his passing.

It has always intrigued me that all of the conspiracy theories eliminate Jackie Kennedy from the pool of suspects. He treated her like dirt and his numerous affairs made her a cruel victim. If she knew what was going to happen in Dallas, I really wonder if she would have warned him...seriously!

I can't shake the idea that what happened in Dallas on 11/22/63 was an execution. The 64k question would then be who the bullet(s) were really directed at: JFK, his brother Bobby or patriarch Joseph P. Kennnedy?

[Ally]

I may slowly be coming to the conclusion that there might have been a conspiracy to kill JFK. I don't believe at all in the grassy knoll crap, the footage clearly shows the wound entering at the back of his head and the propulsion going out the front. I have no firm belief whether Oswald was the actual shooter or the patsy, but I believe the shot came from the Book depository. However, I after looking at some things, I am starting to say.."hmmm". Just a niggle currently.

[rain]

this is an interesting paragraph...

One of the pages in our archive reveals that in a dispatch sent almost exactly 25 minutes after the assassination, Mr. Smith reported "Some of the Secret Service agents thought the gunfire was from an automatic weapon fired to the right rear of the president's car, probably from a grassy knoll to which police rushed."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gk_name.htm

another significant paragraph...

No other news reports or witness interviews are known to contain the phrase "grassy knoll" at that time. In fact, tapes of local news coverage reveal that "grassy knoll" was later repeated by a few other reporters for several hours until investigators became convinced the shots originated from the old Texas School Book Depository. Yet it remains an historical fact that police and spectators immediately ran to the grassy knoll, not to the Depository building. And UPI's Merriman Smith reported it first.

[jason_c]

jimarilyn

I can just as easily claim Dr Perry was tired and emotional at the press conference. A press conference where he was being bombarded by all sorts of questions by numerous reporters.

Still, you can keep believing that the doctors at Parkland viewed the throat wound as an entry wound.

I have simply posted a differing view from one of the main surgeons at the scene that day.

[jimarilyn]

In an emergency situation they had time to have a detailed study of the wound?

Dr Perry, who administered the tracheotomy "thrice stated at a press conference later that day that the wound appeared to be an entrance wound. However, when interviewed by the Warren Commission, Perry said that he now believed that a "full jacketed bullet without deformation passing through the skin would leave a similar wound for an exit and entrance wound and with the facts which you have made available and with these assumptions, I believe that it was an exit wound."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Perry_(physician)

Dr Perry's statements to the press on November 22nd 1963 were made very shortly after JFK expired. He had treated numerous gunshot wounds previous to this and well knew the difference between entrance and exit wounds. His memory was very fresh and he was clearly describing what he (and other Parkland staff) had seen as he examined JFK's body on that hospital bed..

When he was interviewed by the Warren Commissin a full 4 months had elapsed since the day of the assassination. Much had been written and theorised about concerning the assassination during those intervening 4 months. 4 months for his memory/recall to be coloured and swayed by things he had read, heard on radio or seen on TV.

He had obviously felt pressurised to tell the Warren Commission what they wanted to hear. The Commission had a pre-established agenda and we all know what that was.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/html/WC_Vol3_0183a.htm

[rain]

what happens when one disagrees with the official report...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d-reE05Ma8

[jason_c]

These very experienced doctors were witnessing the small entrance wound in JFK's throat upon his arrival into Emergency at Parkland. This wound was enlarged to enable the potentially life saving tracheostomy operation to be performed.

In an emergency situation they had time to have a detailed study of the wound?

Dr Perry, who administered the tracheotomy "thrice stated at a press conference later that day that the wound appeared to be an entrance wound. However, when interviewed by the Warren Commission, Perry said that he now believed that a "full jacketed bullet without deformation passing through the skin would leave a similar wound for an exit and entrance wound and with the facts which you have made available and with these assumptions, I believe that it was an exit wound."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Perry_(physician)