kennedy assassination

[jimarilyn]

You definitely can't rule out the Criminally Insane Asylum, nor for that matter J Edgar Ewbank's Federal Bureau of Intimidation. Nor Louis F. Anderson.

[plang]

yea well fukkit, whilst yous all waste yur time, i'm gone fishin.

[sdreid]

I'm watching the Formula One race.

[dougie]

And im going to strap on my Boise eadfones and retreat into fantasy musical extravaganza mode with a Led Zep album.....tune in-turn on-drop out man!!

[denn034]

The Texas Connection - Zirbel

The view presented in The Texas Connection by Zirbel about LBJ and Hunt being behind the assassination, especially given the facts that LBJ established the questionable Warren Commission and was the only one to benefit from the assassination, seems compelling.

[dougie]

The view presented in The Texas Connection by Zirbel about LBJ and Hunt being behind the assassination, especially given the facts that LBJ established the questionable Warren Commission and was the only one to benefit from the assassination, seems compelling.

Compelling?
wHAT does LBJ establishing the warren commission have to do with it?And where is the evidence to show the warren report was "questionable"?
And as it has been proved beyond doubt that oswald did the deed,wouldnt one think that if LBJ was involved,he would have at least employed a professional "top of the range" hitman,and not a seriously disturbed person like oswald? ..or indeed an almost childlike (again disturbed individual) like Ruby to "knock off" oswald?.....makes no sense at all.
regards

[jimarilyn]

Compelling?
wHAT does LBJ establishing the warren commission have to do with it?And where is the evidence to show the warren report was "questionable"?
And as it has been proved beyond doubt that oswald did the deed,wouldnt one think that if LBJ was involved,he would have at least employed a professional "top of the range" hitman,and not a seriously disturbed person like oswald? ..or indeed an almost childlike (again disturbed individual) like Ruby to "knock off" oswald?.....makes no sense at all.
regards

I've never heard such unadulterated codswallop in my entire life. Have you ever even seen the book cover (never mind read) of this whitewash of a report which set out with the premeditated premise that Lee Oswald was the sole assassin of John F Kennedy. Are you the infamous Gerald Posner in disguise by any chance ? There are none so blind as those who WILL not see......

[dougie]

I've never heard such unadulterated codswallop in my entire life. Have you ever even seen the book cover (never mind read) of this whitewash of a report which set out with the premeditated premise that Lee Oswald was the sole assassin of John F Kennedy. Are you the infamous Gerald Posner in disguise by any chance ? There are none so blind as those who WILL not see......

Ive read the abridged version, but ive not (thank god) read "Mrs paines garage" yet....and have no intention of so doing.There were over 50 pieces of direct evidence connecting oswald to the murder....only minor stuff mind you like the bullets came from oswalds rifle to the exclusion of all others, oswalds finger or palm print on the rifle ....the box used to rest the rifle on....1 of the 4 bullets in the killing of tippet came from oswalds pistol ..to the exclusion of any other pistol....the other 3 "most likely came from same pistol...fibres matching those of oswalds shirt on the rifle which fired the shots.....the rifle bought by oswald, signed for in oswalds handwriting.....pistol the same.....oswald was on the sixth floor of depository...10 witnesses saw oswald either shooting tippit,running away from the scene or emptying spent cartridges from said pistol .....the rifle which was used to kill kennedy was in a photo together with oswald taken months before assassination.....now ive heard of circumstancial evidence ..but that is ridicolous......and that in part was why members of the commission acted with the thought in mind that oswald was the killer...it was that bloody obvious!If there was another assassin,if there was a conspiracy ,if oswald was a patsy then you might be excused for thinking that by now someone,indeed anyone might have produced one single ,sensible,minute shred of evidence that would give people other than the lunatic conspiracy fellowship pause for thought.so far it has not happened.maybe you know better? if so present your evidence.
If you read the warren report ,then it sounds to me as though you are incapable of understanding what you read....i can understand those who havent read the report saying its a whitewash ,but if you have read it and say its a whitewash ..then you are nuts....i wont call you a moron...ill give you the benefit of the doubt on that (reluctantly)
Who are you? Garrisons great aunt by any chance?

[steje73]

Yes, Oswald was on the 6th floor, but within 90 seconds of the shooting he was seen in the first floor canteen looking unruffled. The palm print was an old one that was only found after dismantling the rifle. The fibres were from a shirt that he wasn't even wearing at the time and so were also probably from at least a few days beforehand.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but these pieces of 'evidence' are a bit shaky. That said, they're a heck of a lot more realistic than the whole 'grassy knoll/Daltex building/hiding in a drain/Cuban/Mafia/every bugger else' theories that people seem keen to believe.
And the whole Tippett thing seems a stretch, as the murderer was seen walking towards the scene from the opposite direction than Oswald would have come from, or even been able to get to in the time frame of both murders.
I don't pretend to know for sure who did it, but to me it seems MORE LIKELY that Oswald shot Kennedy but not Tippett.

[detective abberline]

Jfk

Hi Dougie.

Like many other tourists I have visited Dealey Plaza and the 6th floor of the Book Depository which is now a museum. I have stood on the grassy knoll.

I do not believe Oswald killed Kennedy. However, I believe he was part of a conspiracy. I believe he shot at JFK and possibly hit him. But when you stand on the 6th floor of the school book depository, the tree is there( and was when JKF went by) and you go to the grassy knoll and it's a killing field.

[dougie]

Hi Dougie.

Like many other tourists I have visited Dealey Plaza and the 6th floor of the Book Depository which is now a museum. I have stood on the grassy knoll.

I do not believe Oswald killed Kennedy. However, I believe he was part of a conspiracy. I believe he shot at JFK and possibly hit him. But when you stand on the 6th floor of the school book depository, the tree is there( and was when JKF went by) and you go to the grassy knoll and it's a killing field.

hi abberline,
I visited dealey plaza in 88, when I too was fascinated by the conspiracy theory and thought there might be "something to it". My views now are completely the opposite.
The evidence regarding oswald s guilt is conclusive ,there is no real doubt..on the other hand the evidence regarding oswalds innocence or of his taking part in a conspiracy,or being a patsy is as rare as a van gogh painting in a doss house
The grassy knoll would have been a rather silly choice for any "hitman".After firing at the president, where would he go? he would have had to flee (presumabley still carrying his rifle in his hands)through the wide open parking lot ,across the tracks and would easily have been observed by many people.....Dallas deputy shefiff Buddy walthers said" iVE HEARD some say the assassin was behind the fence (grassy knoll),and im telling you it just cant be,because its a wide open area..as far as you can go.the thought that anyone would be shooting off from there would be an almost impossible thing.theres no place for him to go.theres nothing."....dallas deputy sheriff W.W. Mabra said that right after the shots he went to the rail yard and parking area behind the knoll ,behind the picket fence and spoke to a uniformed dallas police officer who testified" i was stationed in the rail yards and had the entire area in view....nobody came this way. there hasnt been a thingmove back here in an hour or more because ive been here all that time"
the picket fence on the grassy knoll was an awful locatio n .
regards

[detective abberline]

Jfk

Hi Dougie. It only takes 2 people to make a conspiracy and Oswald was one of them. Thanks for the quotes from police officers. I hadn't read that before. Let's face it, with Kennedy all you hear about is what the police didn't do. But it doesn't change my belief that JFK was hit from the front. The people lining the street on the grassy knoll were questioned about what happened. Here I'm relying on my memory other wise I'll have to do a Kennedy search. One man had his family with him and he'd served in Korea I think. He'd been under fire and he said that the shot came from behind him.
Oswald wasn't a good shot and the Mannlicher would not be the weapon of choice for a presidential assassin from a 6th floor position. IMO.

Regards

[dougie]

Hi abberline,
Reports and studies show that the ratio of witnesses hearing shots from different directions are thus...
behind the motorcade (book depos area) front(grassy knoll etc)
132-144 people 4-6 people
(based on 3 studies)
number of shots heard
3 shots heard 4 shots or more heard

144 people 8 people

pretty conclusive i believe
Walter Cronkite said " To accept a grassy knoll gunman/gunmen we would need to believe an assassin materialised out of thin air, fired, vanished again into thin air, leaving no trace either of himself,rifle, bullet(s) or indeed any other sign of his existence"
The parking lot behind the picket fence by the way was a a parking area for the sheriffs dept and dallas county criminal courts building.Cars from the sheriffs dept and district attorneys office parked there. It had been patrolled from 2 hours before the motorcade.Since 10 a.m traffic had been cut off into the area so that anyone moving around there could be observed.
Placing a hitman for the biggest hit in american history,knowing that the shooter would be in full view ,and in the line of sight of spectators following the motorcade and, very close to spectators who could be expected to be at ,or
around the place where the hitman would fire from,seems a reckless thing to do, certainly not the actions of a professional assassin.Its odd that the picket fence gunman,comparitively out in the open,in front of the action,in the line of sight of many onlookers and possible photographers was not seen or photographed before,during of after the event by one single living thing.the whole grassy knoll story is a myth..it didnt happen that way,it couldnt have......there isnt one single shred of evidence to suggest oswald didnt act alone.....a lot of this conspiracy stuff sounds interesting at face value, but when its looked at in depth.. there is nothing at all to it.but its easy to be fooled ,i guess most people interested in the issue have been at one time or another..me included.
regards

[jimarilyn]

**** The parking lot behind the picket fence by the way was a a parking area for the sheriffs dept and dallas county criminal courts building.Cars from the sheriffs dept and district attorneys office parked there. It had been patrolled from 2 hours before the motorcade.Since 10 a.m traffic had been cut off into the area so that anyone moving around there could be observed.** Placing a hitman for the biggest hit in american history,knowing that the shooter would be in full view ,and in the line of sight of spectators following the motorcade and, very close to spectators who could be expected to be at ,oraround the place where the hitman would fire from,seems a reckless thing to do, certainly not the actions of a professional assassin.Its odd that the picket fence gunman,comparitively out in the open,in front of the action,in the line of sight of many onlookers and possible photographers was not seen or photographed before,during of after the event by one single living thing.the whole grassy knoll story is a myth..it didnt happen that way.

Raiload signalman/supervisor Lee Bowers observed (from his 14ft high tower just north of the grassy knoll) the very suspicious comings and goings of three cars (two of which had out-of-state licence plates) in the sealed off railroad yards just prior to the motorcade's arrival. He observed also the behaviour of 4 men in the area overlooking the knoll (behind the picket fence).Bowers said he heard 3 shots. Immediately after the last shot, the third car (a white Chevrolet Impala) which had been out out sight when the first shot was fired, came into view again. There was a a very noticeable commotion around the picket fence area which made him feel something extraordinary had happened ( "a flash of light or smoke or something" ) there.

Bowers testified before the Warren Commission to all that he had witnessed from his vantage point but he was cut off in mid-sentence by Joe Ball just as he was about to elaborate further. Ball then diverted the conversation away from this important evidence (talk about only hearing what you want hear !) to something completely different.

Bowers died in a mysterious car accident just over 2 and a half years later, just one of far too many convenient deaths that occurred over a short period of time in the aftermath of the assassination. There were no witnesses to this crash.

[Stephen Thomas]

Here's a neat website and the James E. Files interview is interesting.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index.htm