JonBenet Ramsey Update

[rjpalmer]

How would someone with no connection with the Ramsey family have known of the remote location in the basement in which to hide her and why would he have hidden her there?

Those who favor the intruder theory claim the culprit came in through the basement to begin with, and then found his way upstairs.

It depends on who or what you believe, but supposedly one window had been broken sometime previously (by John Ramsey who claims he had locked himself out), and two others were left slightly cracked to allow extension cords outside for the Christmas lights.

[rjpalmer]

Many were suspicious, including myself, over Burke, that he had accidentally caused the death of his little sister and the mother (Patricia) fabricated evidence to throw suspicion on an intruder.

Here's a wild theory--maybe more suitable for an episode of Columbo than real life, but not impossible.

The mother finds the daughter and assumes Burke did it and writes the note as you suggest...

But Burke is innocent, and it was an intruder after all (!)

Crazy, but it could explain all the conflicting evidence.

Cue Peter Falk...

[Abby Normal]

Many were suspicious, including myself, over Burke, that he had accidentally caused the death of his little sister and the mother (Patricia) fabricated evidence to throw suspicion on an intruder.
Yet, if there was any credence to the intruder story then Michael Helgoth seemed the most likely suspect.
I always thought the father (John) was both innocent & oblivious to the sequence of events, and his wife & son's role in the death of Jonbenet - assuming there was no intruder.

hi wick
i was too initially suspicious of Burke. there was an incident a week or so earlier where he struck her on tje head with golf club. but then iheard they allowed him to talk alone to the police. They would never have done that if he was involved or if he knew anything.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Many were suspicious, including myself, over Burke, that he had accidentally caused the death of his little sister and the mother (Patricia) fabricated evidence to throw suspicion on an intruder.
Yet, if there was any credence to the intruder story then Michael Helgoth seemed the most likely suspect.
I always thought the father (John) was both innocent & oblivious to the sequence of events, and his wife & son's role in the death of Jonbenet - assuming there was no intruder.

Are you assuming that the fracture caused the girl's death?

[Wickerman]

Many were suspicious, including myself, over Burke, that he had accidentally caused the death of his little sister and the mother (Patricia) fabricated evidence to throw suspicion on an intruder.
Yet, if there was any credence to the intruder story then Michael Helgoth seemed the most likely suspect.
I always thought the father (John) was both innocent & oblivious to the sequence of events, and his wife & son's role in the death of Jonbenet - assuming there was no intruder.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

so all three were in in it? whats the motive? whats the sequence of events?

also, the parents let burke talk to the police alone. something they never would have done if he was involved at all or knew what happened. if it wasnt for that, i wouldnt rule him out for any of it, except the note. the police didnt think he had anything to do with it, and I dont think so either.

I think the sequence of events is that the two children were up and about and both eating pineapple while the parents were in bed; the girl's head was fractured; the girl either died or was mistakenly believed to have died; she was strangled in order to cover up the true cause of her death or supposed death; the ransom note was composed in order to cover up the fact that the whole thing was an inside job; the girl's body was then hidden in the basement in order to make the ransom note believable.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

yes. hed be a prime suspect for an outside intruder suspect for sure. i saw an interview with his friend who said he told him he wanted to to see what is would be like to bash someones head in.

How would someone with no connection with the Ramsey family have known of the remote location in the basement in which to hide her and why would he have hidden her there?

And where is the similarity between his handwriting and that of the ransom note?

And it has been noted that the style of writing in the note is that of a woman.

[Herlock Sholmes]

cmon pi keep the jfk stuff , and your feud with HS, out of this.

Well said Abby.

I know next to nothing about the Ramsay case. I read one book many years ago. It just seems unlikely to me that a family where the adults were successful, intelligent people, would have written a ransom note on paper that was easily found in the house.

PI’s input, as ever, is surplus to requirements.

[Abby Normal]

First, we were told that conspirators trying to frame Oswald would not be so stupid as to use a 30-plus-year-old blond man to impersonate him.

I suppose they would not have been so stupid as to use a man who drove what appeared to be his own car to impersonate him, nor a man who had a rifle with a scope in working order.

Now we are being told that the Ramseys could not have been so stupid as to use their own paper on which to write a ransom note.

The alternatives are that Oswald dyed his hair blond and aged himself by about ten years, and then somehow dyed his hair back to its normal colour on his return to Dallas, acquired his own car without any of his acquaintances knowing, chose not to use a working scope to commit an assassination, and that a kidnapper had to borrow writing paper from his victim's house to write a ransom note.

Which set of explanations is more credible?

Which is more farfetched?

cmon pi keep the jfk stuff , and your feud with HS, out of this.

[Abby Normal]

I am sure you have deduced from my previous reasoning that either the son caused the fracture and father did the strangulation or vice-versa.

I would mention that there was a witness who claimed to see two figures walking about on tiptoe during the night, that a dish containing pineapple and an oversized spoon was found on a table, with the son's and mother's fingerprints on the dish, that the girl had recently eaten pineapple, and that the parents had gone to bed early, and that apparently they slept together.

Furthermore, the parents seemed to be careful to keep the son out of the investigation and he disappeared from sight, retiring to his room.

I think you can make the deduction from there.

so all three were in in it? whats the motive? whats the sequence of events?

also, the parents let burke talk to the police alone. something they never would have done if he was involved at all or knew what happened. if it wasnt for that, i wouldnt rule him out for any of it, except the note. the police didnt think he had anything to do with it, and I dont think so either.

[Abby Normal]

One question….if the ransom note was written on paper found in the home (and I’m not disputing it) surely the family wouldn’t have been so stupid?

well if they killed their daughter in their own home that would be pretty stupid too

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

First, we were told that conspirators trying to frame Oswald would not be so stupid as to use a 30-plus-year-old blond man to impersonate him.

I suppose they would not have been so stupid as to use a man who drove what appeared to be his own car to impersonate him, nor a man who had a rifle with a scope in working order.

Now we are being told that the Ramseys could not have been so stupid as to use their own paper on which to write a ransom note.

The alternatives are that Oswald dyed his hair blond and aged himself by about ten years, and then somehow dyed his hair back to its normal colour on his return to Dallas, acquired his own car without any of his acquaintances knowing, chose not to use a working scope to commit an assassination, and that a kidnapper had to borrow writing paper from his victim's house to write a ransom note.

Which set of explanations is more credible?

Which is more farfetched?

[Abby Normal]

Do you remember this guy? He was a 26-year-old electrician that lived nearby and was supposedly in a dispute with the Ramseys. He is the "MJ Druitt" suspect in the case:


"Another man, Michael Helgoth, was also a prime suspect. He was a Colorado native who died shortly after the murder. But his death left more questions than answers.

"It appeared to be a suicide. And what about the stun gun discovered next to his body? Investigators believe a stun gun had been used on JonBenet.

"Prosecutor DeMuth told me this about Helgoth: "I remember that he had footwear that was consistent with the footprint evidence, he had a stun gun, he had reportedly made statements to a friend, very similar to the types of statements that we're hearing about today in the press with the arrest of John Karr." [Karr was the weirdo who confessed]

"Even more strange, a baseball cap with the letters s-b-t-c was found near Helgoth's body. Those are the same letters found in the ransom note at the Ramsey home. DeMuth says he believes Helgoth's DNA was tested and didn't match up."

--CNN, Randi Kaye, 2006.

yes. hed be a prime suspect for an outside intruder suspect for sure. i saw an interview with his friend who said he told him he wanted to to see what is would be like to bash someones head in.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

care to elaborate?

I am sure you have deduced from my previous reasoning that either the son caused the fracture and father did the strangulation or vice-versa.

I would mention that there was a witness who claimed to see two figures walking about on tiptoe during the night, that a dish containing pineapple and an oversized spoon was found on a table, with the son's and mother's fingerprints on the dish, that the girl had recently eaten pineapple, and that the parents had gone to bed early, and that apparently they slept together.

Furthermore, the parents seemed to be careful to keep the son out of the investigation and he disappeared from sight, retiring to his room.

I think you can make the deduction from there.

[Herlock Sholmes]

One question….if the ransom note was written on paper found in the home (and I’m not disputing it) surely the family wouldn’t have been so stupid?