Lizzie Borden Case

[sdreid]

I had heard of the case with some vague stories but the first significant account I was exposed to was when I watched the Armstrong Circle Theater rendition in 1961. We discussed it in school the next; in English class oddly. I always thought Lizzie did it but the TV program leaned more toward Bridget Sullivan as the killer.

Until 1975, I knew more about the Borden murders than JtR.

[The Grave Maurice]

I've read a bit about the Borden case but hope to get into it in more depth after my fast-approaching retirement. The fact that the murders occurred in 1892 make them an interesting companion piece with Whitechapel. Authors such as Frank Spiering have written on both subjects...although I hope his book on Lizzie is better than his one on JtR.

[sdreid]

All the best on your Borden research Maurice. Retirement is great! It's sort of like being rich except without the money.

[Magpie]

There's a soft drink bottler in Fall River, and I was thinking someone should approach them about making a line of soft drinks called "Fizzie Lizzie".

Just a a thought

[Errata]

There's a soft drink bottler in Fall River, and I was thinking someone should approach them about making a line of soft drinks called "Fizzie Lizzie".

Just a a thought

One of those hyper caffeinated sodas called Forty Whacks?

[mariab]

I've read a bit about the Borden case but hope to get into it in more depth after my fast-approaching retirement. The fact that the murders occurred in 1892 make them an interesting companion piece with Whitechapel. Authors such as Frank Spiering have written on both subjects...although I hope his book on Lizzie is better than his one on JtR.

Until 1975, I knew more about the Borden murders than JtR.

Several American Ripperologists are also experts on the Lizzie Borden case, which compared to the Whitechapel murders is pretty transparent.

Retirement is great! It's sort of like being rich except without the money.

LOL. And I'm sick today (in Illinois), which feels sorta like being retired – but with pain.

[The Grave Maurice]

Retirement is great! It's sort of like being rich except without the money.

Uh oh. I was only following your example, Stan. You've seemed to enjoy retirement so much that I thought I'd join you and get in on the fun.

Maria: Yes, the case does seem transparent. But I'd still like to know how, exactly, she did it.

[mariab]

Maria: Yes, the case does seem transparent. But I'd still like to know how, exactly, she did it.

Get you, Ken. Borden's whereabouts were unaccounted for at least 30 minutes, during which she could have easily burned her bloodstained clothes. Also, the barn apparently had a large vise, where she could have broken off the handle of the hatchet, burned the handle in the kitchen stove, and dipped the cleaned, wet hatchet head in wood ashes or something.

[Semper_Eadem]

I haven't studied Lizzie Bordon since my late teens. I always thought she did it. Regarding the burnt dress, I think she got paint on it purposely to cover up any blood she got on it and to give her a reason to burn it. I wonder how much blood she would of gotten on the dress anyways.

As for her hacking her back I think she had a spell of raving mania when she did that act, She paid him back for all the oppression he gave her. I think Andrew Bordon wasn't above giving his daughter emotional abuse with continual put downs,, belittlement's what have you. All I know is that Emma and Lizzie were some real unhappy girls/spinsters. Of course I am going off memory here and my assessment and views of the case are the ones I had as a 16 year old. I guess I need to recap but I have been down this road before on this case so re-studying it isn't at the top of my list no matter how fascinating it is.

[Archaic]

The Lizzie Bordon Crime Library and Virtual Museum

Hi everybody.

I recently came across a great resource called 'The Lizzie Bordon Crime Library and Virtual Museum'.

Here is the website: http://lizzieandrewborden.com/crimelibrary.htm

You can click on a category and it will lead you to a new section. The Crime Scene section contains several photos I'd never seen before.

I also came across two photos of the young Lizzie that I might be of interest, so attached them below.

Best regards,
Archaic

[Archaic]

Borden Trial Transcripts

This page is from the website above and includes the Borden Trial Transcripts in two PDF's:

http://lizzieandrewborden.com/crimelibrary/trialtranscript.htm

Archaic

[Archaic]

Andrew & Abby Borden Autopsy Reports

Here are the Autopsy Reports for Andrew and Abby Borden, originally taken from the website above then posted to the internet on their own:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/LizzieBorden/bordenautopsies.html

Pretty horrific stuff.

Best regards,
Archaic

[Semper_Eadem]

Thanks Archaic for sharing this neat link.

I always figured there was a lot of suppressed hate that Lizzie had towards her parents, she had 32 years of spates and petty arguments with them behind her and Lizzie Bordon was stagnant in that house. I could see her doing chores while waiting for her dad to get home. In many ways I think of Lizzie as a teenager in an adult's body due to her actions before and during and after the murder. I think in many ways she did not get to mature emotionally due to the way she was raised. I think this might of been true with Emma as well, although Emma did nurse their mother through her last illness. Which might of given her a certain maturity. Lizzie being 3 years old at her mother's death was spared nursing her and the loss of her mother might of retarded Lizzie's emotional development.

[Archaic]

Hi Geo, just saw your post. You're very welcome.

It's an excellent website, isn't it? Lots of solid information without the usual urban legends and sensationalism.

So do you think Lizzie did it?

I think the evidence is compelling... so far, anyway.

Take care,
Archaic

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Archaic,

I've visited that website for many, many years. I also own many copies of their Lizzie magazine, The Hatchet. The sisters who run this show really know their stuff and are very respectful of the case and serious about it.

As for who killed Andrew and Abby, there's no question it was Lizzie. The only question left to my mind is 'Was Uncle John involved?' I plan to look more closely at that question in the future.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott