NEW Bonnie & Clyde Info from FBI!

[jason_c]

I don't want to rehash the whole thing, but I suggest you watch the much more recent filmed interviews with all the Parkland Drs & Nurses & see what they say. They were pros in dealing with bullet wounds- the Bethesda Drs had no experience dealing with bullet wounds OR autopsies, which is why they were chosen, & the Govt had their own men right in the autopsy room running the entire show.


Best regards, Archaic

Archaic

They were actually chosen by Jackie/and or Bobby Kennedy. Bethesda was a Naval Hospital. As JFK had been in the navy the family decided to send his body there.

Perhaps we ought to move this to the JFK thread

[rain]

Hi, Jason. Dr Carrico was scared to death from all the threats when he testified before the Warren Commision. The questions were highly controlled & directed, too. The Parkland Dr's were each told that they had obviously been too traumatized to understand the wound trajectories, because the official Bethesda Autopsy said differently.
Most of them were young surgeons w/ young families to support, just starting their careers, and they were utterly bewildered by the Govt's bullying of them.
The Warren Testimony is crap (pardon my French.)

I don't want to rehash the whole thing, but I suggest you watch the much more recent filmed interviews with all the Parkland Drs & Nurses & see what they say. They were pros in dealing with bullet wounds- the Bethesda Drs had no experience dealing with bullet wounds OR autopsies, which is why they were chosen, & the Govt had their own men right in the autopsy room running the entire show.

I believe the Doctors, Nurses, & Eyewitnesses. I don't know who killed Kennedy or why, but even the Senate Investigation proved that there was most likely a conspiracy because too many shots came from too many directions for it to be Oswald. Think about it: even ONE entry wound means it was a shot fired by someone OTHER THAN Oswald, & therefore a conspiracy... the Govt (Or whomever, I don't pretend to know the identities of the "powers" behind this ) absolutely had to squash any suggestion of a front-entry wound.

Sorry if I got wound up, I feel very strongly about this and again I say I believe Dr. Carrico & the other experts who were there on the scene before any evidence was tampered with.

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Best regards, Archaic

Hi Archaic- it is more than obvious by Kennedy's reactions that he was shot in the throat from the front-

I could post a video of the Zapuder tape that would show this- if you don't mind- it is rather graphic.

[Aristocles]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=745248745546892501

Hypotheses non fingo

[sdreid]

He was shot from behind not that it has anything to do with this thread.

Too bad they didn't get B&C going down. The movie cam was on the scene in pretty short order.

[HollyDolly]

New Bonnie and Clyde Info from the FBI

I know what you mean about the heat Graham. Around the San Antonio area it has been really hot and we need rain badly.
Do you recall the name of the town that you drove through that had a bank robbed by B&C? just curious.

Lots of ghost towns around.Some of the ones I know of, like Verdi, Jeddo,
Olmos, Blackhill, Dewville, never had a bank that i know of, a few are only just a couple of buildings or just a community center and that's all.Yeah, Texas is a pretty big place.

[rain]

Hi, Jason. Dr Carrico was scared to death from all the threats when he testified before the Warren Commision. The questions were highly controlled & directed, too. The Parkland Dr's were each told that they had obviously been too traumatized to understand the wound trajectories, because the official Bethesda Autopsy said differently.
Most of them were young surgeons w/ young families to support, just starting their careers, and they were utterly bewildered by the Govt's bullying of them.
The Warren Testimony is crap (pardon my French.)


I believe the Doctors, Nurses, & Eyewitnesses. I don't know who killed Kennedy or why, but even the Senate Investigation proved that there was most likely a conspiracy because too many shots came from too many directions for it to be Oswald. Think about it: even ONE entry wound means it was a shot fired by someone OTHER THAN Oswald, & therefore a conspiracy... the Govt (Or whomever, I don't pretend to know the identities of the "powers" behind this ) absolutely had to squash any suggestion of a front-entry wound.
Best regards, Archaic

Archaic- those doctors should never have been questioned. If they said Kennedy was shot from the front, that should have been in the report.

It is apparent there was a lot of witness tampering in the whole thing.

[jason_c]

Any further Kennedy replies ought to be posted in the thread below.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=281&page=32

[larue]

hi all

i have been interested in both b&c and the jfk assasination for years, but i'm not going into that now...

just want to observe that it took 6 trained lawmen 167 bullets to stop b&c [ most just going through the car ] from just a few feet, but just 2 or 3 bullets to kill kennedy from a fair distance. and as a moving target!

the devil may have the best tunes, but the bad guys sure got the best shots!!!!

[ no offence meant ]

i ain't never been to Texas, but i did get to the badlands in South Dakota during high summer a few years back. it was aboot 120f that day, and though i had no eggs to fry on the grand prix's hood, i sure as h*ll fried my ass when i leaned on it!!!!!

phew!!!!!

[Archaic]

Bonnie & Clyde In Popular Song?

I was just wondering how many times Bonnie & Clyde have been mentioned in popular song?

I just saw a cool old music video of the great Desmond Dekker singing "Israelites", which has the line
"I don't want to end up like Bonnie & Clyde..."
and I'm trying to think of other songs which mention B & C.

I'm sure there are more... anybody know?

Desmond Dekker, "Israelites":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMWe6XyVdc

[Graham]

Hi Larue,

I don't know diddley about the actualities of the last B&C shoot-out, but if the lawmen were armed with something like Thompson sub-machine guns, then you couldn't hit a barn if you were inside it with one of those.

Hi Archaic,

I'd have thought the best-known B&C song was by Georgie Fame & The Blue Flames, complete with duelling banjos as I recall.

I saw Desmond Dekker and The Aces in Birmingham (England) in the late 1960's, and what impressed me even more than his music was the fact that I got high just breathing the air in that place that night...

Cheers,

Graham

[Archaic]

Bonnie & Clyde Songs, etc

Hi, Graham, what song is that by The Blue Flames? It doesn't ring a bell.

I figured that the blockbuster B & C movie with Beatty & Dunaway would have inspired songwriters.


I'm jealous you saw Desmond Dekker!!!

But I've been to Ska & Reggae concerts where I noticed the same...uh, cultural phenomena in the air.

You just reminded me of something funny that I had totally forgotten about- when I was in college I went to some show where the whole crowd was dancing, and a couple of men near me had a small open bottle of amyl nitrate that they were genially offering around... I declined, but I had a perfect view of what happened next- the guy holding the bottle got accidentally bumped by the surge of the crowd, his hand jerked towards himself, and he totally DOUSED his own clothing with amyl nitrate!!!
Poor guy, I think that was a lot more of a "rush" than he bargained for... his friends had to help carry him outside for fresh air. My friends and I laughed so hard we almost cried. The dangers of Rock 'n Roll, lol

[Graham]

Hi Archaic,

Here y'go, m'man (if it works):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubOI9yY55JU

Graham

PS: it does.

[Archaic]

Thanks, Graham, that was great! As soon as the music started it jogged my memory... I remember hearing that song when I was a little girl- I especially remember the "Bonnie & Clyde, pushin' up daisies" line.

Here's a couple more videos. I saw the B& C Death car in a Car Museum in Las Vegas; the police really shot the hell out of it. Link to museum below.

Bonnie & Clyde Death Car Video, filmed within 5 minutes of the shooting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNfhe...ture=quicklist

Bonnie & Clyde photos & footage, some rare stuff- including childhood photos, morgue scenes, and a colorized view of Bonnie in her coffin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFlth...ture=quicklist

Bonnie & Clyde death Car In Las Vegas Museum: http://www.vegas.com/attractions/out...etawaycar.html

Little-known B&C Death Ambush Museum: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10864

Best regards, Archaic

[Rick Mattix]

There were no Thompsons used in the B&C ambush. Only full-auto weapon known to have been present at the ambush was a M1918 .30-06 Browning Automatic Rifle, fired by Dallas County deputy Ted Hinton. The new book Go Down Together by Jeff Guinn claims, based on questionable recent accounts, that Frank Hamer was armed with a Colt Monitor machine rifle, which was a commercial version of the military B.A.R. This doesn't square with the known accounts of Hamer, Hinton, and the other officers present. At least a couple of Remington Model 8 autoloading rifles, in both .30 and .35 calibre, were also used by the six officers and a couple of shotguns as well.

Go Down Together is a good read and somewhat revisionist but another new book, Bonnie and Clyde: The Lives Behind the Legends by Paul Schneider, is more accurate on a lot of things including the ambush. Some may have problems with Schneider's narrative style but it's interesting once you get the hang of it. He also had the benefit of the nearly 1,000 pages of long-lost FBI files on B&C that were discovered only recently in the Dallas Field Office.

Another good B&C song, released around the same time as Georgie Fame's, is "The Legend of Bonnie and Clyde" by Merle Haggerd.

[tji]

Hi all

I can remember reading in a magazine a few months ago that Bonnie was pregnant at the time of her death and that the agents had actually tried to arrest her seperatly from Clyde because of this, the article had a post mortem picture of Bonnie - can anyone corroborate this please and tell me if this was correct?

tj