NEW Bonnie & Clyde Info from FBI!

[Archaic]

A few weeks ago the FBI released approximately 1,000 pages of new material on Bonnie & Clyde, including photos. The files had been stored away in the Dallas FBI office, forgotten, & were recently rediscovered.
The FBI has made them public to aid researchers and historians. Below is a brief news article explaining the find; within that news article are live links to FBI reports, etc.

http://www.wcpo.com/mostpopular/story/FBI-Releases-New-Photos-Info-On-Bonnie-Clyde/xP9a7sM3D0SZH2BWDXFHZg.cspx

I also added the direct FBI website link below. The FBI has created a special presentation called "The Year of the Gangster" (1934) which discusses Bonnie and Clyde, Dillinger, etc. Many other interesting links are available as well on this site.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/may09/bonnieandclyde_052709.html

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/march09/dillinger_030609.html

Enjoy, Archaic

[Bob Hinton]

Bonnie and Clyde

I believe one of my distant relations ( 96th cousin of my grandfathers aunt or something) was involved in the team that finally killed this duo.

[Graham]

I lived in the USA (in Ohio) in the 1970's/early 1980's, and I often went to Dallas on business. One of my colleagues at the the time was heavily into Bonnie & Clyde, and one extremely hot Sunday he took me around some of the places in Texas west of Dallas associated with B&C. At the time, I was astonished how totally rural were some of these places - I'd need a very large-scale map of Texas to even get a feel of where we drove. Most of the time we were driving along dirt-tracks, and I do remember going through the remains of a settlement, long since abandoned, where B&C apparently robbed the bank.

My colleague said that B&C specialised in holding up banks in tiny backwoods towns where there might have been just one constable at the local police-station. He pointed out that all that stuff in the movie about CJ whatever-his-name-was was just hokum; he also said that B&C were particularly vicious in their modus operandi - none of the gentlemanly behaviour of a Dillinger, for example. B&C stole good-quality cars to ensure their rapid getaway, and given the absolute wilderness that was/is Texas they could just disappear.

I still like the movie, though...

Graham

[Roy Corduroy]

I believe one of my distant relations ( 96th cousin of my grandfathers aunt or something) was involved in the team that finally killed this duo.

Hi Bob, that would be Ted Hinton?

We accept no substitutes for Faye Dunaway.

Roy

[Graham]

I still like Faye Dunaway, as well....

Graham

[Roy Corduroy]

Hi Graham,

Sounds like you had interesting ride out of Big D. Your friend was right on the money about their exploits. I have read a new book on it, Go Down Together.

Thanks, Archaic for the link.

Roy

[Bob Hinton]

Yes I believe that's him. I remember my father saying that he was related to us through a cousin somewhere along the line.

[Graham]

Hi Graham,

Sounds like you had interesting ride out of Big D. Your friend was right on the money about their exploits. I have read a new book on it, Go Down Together.

Thanks, Archaic for the link.

Roy

Hi Roy,

do you have the details of that book, please?

What I do remember of that far-off day is that it was about the hottest in Texas history, and the temperature hit 115 degrees, a figure that's stayed in my memory ever since, as it's the hottest I ever experienced, and that includes my time spent working in Egypt. No bottled water in those days, either - every time we saw a store we stopped for Coke (yeah, the drink...) Even the Mexicans at our Dallas factory were complaining.

I also did the JFK trip during that same visit to Dallas - if it really was Oswald, then it was a bloody good shot...

Graham

[Archaic]

Texas

Hi, everybody; hi Graham. My parents lived in Austin for 5 years so I was down there a lot, and whenever we drove out of the relative 'oasis' of Austin I always wondered how anybody ever survived there for 5 minutes before the invention of air conditioning. The area around Waco has NO SHADE- can you imagine a poor pioneer woman in endless layers of petticoats when it's 110 degrees???

I haven't been to Dealey Plaza, but I'll tell you something: when I was a kid (in Washington State) a new family moved in & I made friends with their son. His dad was Dr Carrico, the very 1st surgeon at Parkland Hospital to see Kennedy when he was shot- the one who initiated the lifesaving efforts.

I was already a history buff & immediately asked if I could meet his Dad & ask him a bunch of questions, but I was told he absolutely refused to discuss JFK with anyone, because he had been among the very first to state that the wound in Kennedy's throat was clearly an entrance wound, and he'd been so hounded & threatened after that that he forbade even his own family to ask him about it! I was amazed- up to then adults had always answered my endless questions, and the very idea that someone's Dad refused to let his own family even ask about a certain subject made a big impression on me... I wasn't told exactly who threatened him, but even as a kid I understood it was some element within our own government, and that they were dead serious, and he was scared of what they might do if he talked.

The wound in the throat was an ENTRANCE wound. I believe him. Years later Dr. Carrico finally let Grodin interview him & described what he had seen then - an entrance wound in the throat, and a separate EXIT wound in the back of the head. (Some of it is on YouTube.)

Regards, Archaic

[rain]

Hi, everybody; hi Graham.
I was already a history buff & immediately asked if I could meet his Dad & ask him a bunch of questions, but I was told he absolutely refused to discuss JFK with anyone, because he had been among the very first to state that the wound in Kennedy's throat was clearly an entrance wound, and he'd been so hounded & threatened after that that he forbade even his own family to ask him about it! I was amazed- up to then adults had always answered my endless questions, and the very idea that someone's Dad refused to let his own family even ask about a certain subject made a big impression on me... I wasn't told exactly who threatened him, but even as a kid I understood it was some element within our own government, and that they were dead serious, and he was scared of what they might do if he talked.

The wound in the throat was an ENTRANCE wound. I believe him. Years later Dr. Carrico finally let Grodin interview him & described what he had seen then - an entrance wound in the throat, and a separate EXIT wound in the back of the head. (Some of it is on YouTube.)

Regards, Archaic

This is a topic I have debated about very heatedly.

I have seen a certain film and it is obvious that Kennedy was shot from the front both times.

[Graham]

Hi Archaic,

I had a quick flick through the FBI files per your links - interesting! I now have a stiff neck though, as a lot of them were on their side. Also some are rather faint, but a good view none the less.

Hi Rain,

I remember reading about the doctor at the Dallas hospital who claimed that the throat wound was an entry wound. The Zapruder film so clearly shows JFK reacting from at least one shot from in front of him that I could never understand why the Government has always been so adamant that Oswald was the lone killer. Obviously they think they have good reason to continue with the lone assassin story. I've long since given up reading about JFK, because to my mind the subject has been taken over by crazies.

Graham

[Roy Corduroy]

do you have the details of that book, please?

Sure, Graham, it's Go Down Together, The True, Untold Story of Bonnie and Clyde By Jeff Guinn, 2009. I recommend it. Has quick, hard-hitting chapters.

Roy

[Graham]

Thanks for that, Roy. I'll make an effort to obtain and read.

Cheers,

Graham

[jason_c]

Hi, everybody; hi Graham. My parents lived in Austin for 5 years so I was down there a lot, and whenever we drove out of the relative 'oasis' of Austin I always wondered how anybody ever survived there for 5 minutes before the invention of air conditioning. The area around Waco has NO SHADE- can you imagine a poor pioneer woman in endless layers of petticoats when it's 110 degrees???

I haven't been to Dealey Plaza, but I'll tell you something: when I was a kid (in Washington State) a new family moved in & I made friends with their son. His dad was Dr Carrico, the very 1st surgeon at Parkland Hospital to see Kennedy when he was shot- the one who initiated the lifesaving efforts.

I was already a history buff & immediately asked if I could meet his Dad & ask him a bunch of questions, but I was told he absolutely refused to discuss JFK with anyone, because he had been among the very first to state that the wound in Kennedy's throat was clearly an entrance wound, and he'd been so hounded & threatened after that that he forbade even his own family to ask him about it! I was amazed- up to then adults had always answered my endless questions, and the very idea that someone's Dad refused to let his own family even ask about a certain subject made a big impression on me... I wasn't told exactly who threatened him, but even as a kid I understood it was some element within our own government, and that they were dead serious, and he was scared of what they might do if he talked.

The wound in the throat was an ENTRANCE wound. I believe him. Years later Dr. Carrico finally let Grodin interview him & described what he had seen then - an entrance wound in the throat, and a separate EXIT wound in the back of the head. (Some of it is on YouTube.)

Regards, Archaic

Dr Carrico's Warren testimony doesnt quite agree with the claims you make.

Mr. SPECTER - Based on your observations on the neck wound alone did have a sufficient basis to form an opinion as to whether it was an entrance or an exit wound?
Dr. CARRICO - No, sir; we did not. Not having completely evaluated all the wounds, traced out the course of the bullets, this wound would have been compatible with either entrance or exit wound depending upon the size, the velocity, the tissue structure and so forth

[Archaic]

JFK Dr's //FBI FILES

Hi, Jason. Dr Carrico was scared to death from all the threats when he testified before the Warren Commision. The questions were highly controlled & directed, too. The Parkland Dr's were each told that they had obviously been too traumatized to understand the wound trajectories, because the official Bethesda Autopsy said differently.
Most of them were young surgeons w/ young families to support, just starting their careers, and they were utterly bewildered by the Govt's bullying of them.
The Warren Testimony is crap (pardon my French.)

I don't want to rehash the whole thing, but I suggest you watch the much more recent filmed interviews with all the Parkland Drs & Nurses & see what they say. They were pros in dealing with bullet wounds- the Bethesda Drs had no experience dealing with bullet wounds OR autopsies, which is why they were chosen, & the Govt had their own men right in the autopsy room running the entire show.

I believe the Doctors, Nurses, & Eyewitnesses. I don't know who killed Kennedy or why, but even the Senate Investigation proved that there was most likely a conspiracy because too many shots came from too many directions for it to be Oswald. Think about it: even ONE entry wound means it was a shot fired by someone OTHER THAN Oswald, & therefore a conspiracy... the Govt (Or whomever, I don't pretend to know the identities of the "powers" behind this ) absolutely had to squash any suggestion of a front-entry wound.

Sorry if I got wound up, I feel very strongly about this and again I say I believe Dr. Carrico & the other experts who were there on the scene before any evidence was tampered with.

>>Hi, Graham, I haven't had time to read thru the FBI files so I didn't know they were all sideways... hopefully they weren't also riddled with bullet-holes! (Maybe that's WHY they were sideways?) You can always email our pals at the FBI & let them know they goofed up.

Last year I notified the UK National Archives that their Jack the Ripper online exhibits were mixed up & mislabeled. They asked me which ones & what was wrong, I told them; they were very polite & appreciative & corrected it. You probably won't get an 8x10 autographed glossy from dear old J. Edgar, but you can add "Advisor to the FBI" to your resume.

Best regards, Archaic