The use of occult to solve a mystery (MADELINE MACCANN CASE)

[Mike Covell]

Number of psychics with the balls to actually put their name to the case,
Diane Lazarus
Graham Dare
Joe Power
Carol Everett
Amanda Hart
Gordon Smith
Sarah Delamere-Hurding
Carla Baron
John J Oliver
Charles Sibley

Number of psychics to have had "Hits"
0

If your "alleged" powers are genuine, why post on here or any internet based forum, with libelous material, why not do what any person would do who want's justice for this poor little girl, and go to the police?

I can always get in touch, after all, your ISP will be logged now, and if your claims get "hits" and crack the case, perhaps your next step will be collecting the $1million of James Randi.

But before you go on the attack about my open mindedness, be aware, I work with psychics, mediums, spiritualists, healers, and have seen people come up with information that, as an historian, is hard to come by. That said, I have also seen some fantastic Cold Readings.

[Jeff Leahy]

Oh how silly of me!!!

Of course your 0.01% must be true then!

Actually the law of averages should give you a better return than that. I once asked an ex CIA 'remote veiwer' did it work and he said yes.

But largely because they were providing a focal point.

Your looking for a missile silo in a giant expanse of land..it's a needle in a hay stack...when someone says look here..you've a better chance of finding something. because you have narrowed down and searched somewhere in detail.

Random information can often through up new leads.

I guess i'm in agreement with Mike on this. I've never heard a psychic say they know where she is and its wrong to suggest you can. The information provided by psychics is largely general and non specific.

As I said, i have been given information that I discovered through research was correct...but perhaps it was a question of looking in the right place, much like the missile silo's

Pirate

[The Good Michael]

The information provided by psychics is largely general and non specific.

But people want to believe in them. That's how it works. Spiritualism and astrology are faith-based systems. There is also no originality in any of it. John Edward, Slyvia Browne, Van Praagh and others do exactly the same things. I guess if the sham ain't broke, don't fix it. James Randi exposes all these parasites, as does Deren Brown. We all could do what they do, but for one small detail: morality won't allow us to prey on those misguided folks who believe in such things.

Cheers,

Mike

[Jeff Leahy]

But people want to believe in them. That's how it works. Spiritualism and astrology are faith-based systems.

Absolutely Mike, although the religious aspect can vary from psychic to psychic, mediums like Colin Fry see it, and practice it, very much as a religion. It is completely about faith.

There is also no originality in any of it. John Edward, Slyvia Browne, Van Praagh and others do exactly the same things.

Yes the fundermental psychology is very much cross cultural world wide and the roll of the Shaman has its roots in even the most primitive cultures.

I guess if the sham ain't broke, don't fix it. James Randi exposes all these parasites, as does Deren Brown. We all could do what they do, but for one small detail: morality won't allow us to prey on those misguided folks who believe in such things.

Here I'd disagree with you to some extent. I've worked with top magicians and top Psychics. I dont beleive that Darren Brown could do what Tony Stockwell does without resorting to trickery?

I don't beleive Darren Brown could stand blind in front of an audience, without setting things up in advance and give the same performance as say Tony Stockwell...just no way..

I have no idea what he is doing? what he's tapping into? I do know he does something better than straight forward guess work...?

I also beleive, 100% that those psychics I've worked with genuinely beleive that they are talking to dead people...

if you ask me do I beleive they are talking to dead people? Well no I dont...but voices in the head is hardly an unknown phenomina in human psychology..

So I dont beleive that Dan Brown could do better, under the same conditions as Stockwell...

That said I dont think psychics are that good either, more often wrong than right and contrary readings...If they were cheating you'd simply expect them to be much better

Most of what they give is general lose...and as you say the human brain likes to try and make sence of things...so lots of square pegs knocked into round holes...

However that doesnt necessarily make these people Fakes...Most of them, and I include my old freind Derek Acorah in this, genuinely beleive in what they are doing...and to my knowledge dont cheat, get things badly wrong, yes, but i've never witnessed any faking or cheating..

They're probably all quite mad, but then I'd personally tar most religeons with this brush.

Yours Pirate

[Jack the Ripper]

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Thank you all for answering my post. Though 99% was off the mark, since astrology is not a faith based system, it is not a religion and also it is not based on being a psychic. Astrology is a ancient science that has a history going back to the sumerian civilisation around 3000 BC. Astrology is coded in all the major world religions and in all the great architecture of the world. Without astrology none of the great works of art would have been formed. I am not here to justify astrology. That said astrology gives clues of the mental make up of those involved it is a very powerful tool. Infact astrology is used to assess the characters for job applicants. A so powerful tool that during the war Adolf Hitler banned astrology. If the art had no substance then a man of his evil genius would not even have considered it a threat to his Reich, unless of course he knew different. Reverting back to where the body of the child Madeline will be found. I suggest police efforts be attuned to the hours the Maccan's left there resort to go to faro airport on there way to meet the pope. Only at that moment were they out of the public gaze long enough to dispose of the body. The route to the airport reveals they took the N125 road to Faro airport. It is along this route one must travel to meet the most likely place the body buried. I have suggested earliar that the mother who is strongely catholic will connect the burial to her religion. Ms Maccann would of been in a tormented condition (understandable). The catholic term for such a state is called purgatory. Not surprisingly along this route N125 to the airport there is a place called PURGATORY. Astrology also highlights the neptunian number seven the mystery number. As an end note. Some would suggest that to use astrology is ridculous. Well president Regan used astrology every day and he governed american policy by it. Indeed every body here has been affected by its use whether they know it or not.

[DVV]

Astrology also highlights the neptunian number seven the mystery number. Some would suggest that to use astrology is ridculous. Well president Regan used astrology every day and he governed american policy by it. Indeed every body here has been affected by its use whether they know it or not.

Hi Jack,
...because only seven planets were known until recently (hence the seven metals in alchemy, which is "astrology-dependant").
I'm afraid Reagan adds nothing to this ancient and glorious science!

Amitiés,
David

[Jeff Leahy]

At best Astrology is a sudo-science that biols down to the same faith based beliefs as the psychic. Most of the top astrologers use intuician and gut feeling when giving readings, it is hardly a science, just because it uses the movements of the planets.

If you are suggesting that science has its roots in astrology this is almost certainly the truth. Whoever built the great Pyramid had calculated the exact circumfrance of the earth long before modern Science

And dont bother agruing with me, I'm a Taurean

As for Madie, leave it alone your talking *rap

Pirate

[Jack the Ripper]

'And dont bother agruing with me, I'm a Taurean'

ahha so am I and so was Maddie.

[Jeff Leahy]

The simple fact is you havnt a clue were Madies body is to be found, if you did, as Mike said, you should go to the police or perhaps the private detectives. Why tell us on a casebook?

As I said I've worked with most of the worlds top psychics and none of them could tell me where she was...and experience tells me no psychic can. Theyre not that good...and neither are you

Pirate

[Jack the Ripper]

Oh Im good. I mean too good.

[Jeff Leahy]

OK theres a blue object on my desk infront of me?

What is it?

[Sam Flynn]

Tony Stockwell

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9oP8mvwnHDA

If the "spirits" are capable of giving mediums so much biographical info... why can't they remember their own names?

[Jeff Leahy]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9oP8mvwnHDA

If the "spirits" are capable of giving mediums so much biographical info... why can't they remember their own names?

What i can tell you is that he studio air conditioning failed, it was a very hot summer and people started passing out,we had to deliver bottles of water..

I thought the lighting on the reveals however was amazingly sexy, pure genious...

Cook the audience..they really did FRY!

Pirate

PS as I said psychics aint that good, but thats a far thing from making them Fake...what they do they do...and Tony is a really cool guy..even under heat

[The Good Michael]

Pirate,

I have no doubt that there are some psychics who believe in what they do. There have been many religious people who have seen things and have believed them to be miracles and acts of God. They are not fakes if theytruly believe in it, but it doesn't make it real either.

Cheers,

Mike

[phil j.]

However that doesnt necessarily make these people Fakes...Most of them, and I include my old freind Derek Acorah in this, genuinely beleive in what they are doing...and to my knowledge dont cheat, get things badly wrong, yes, but i've never witnessed any faking or cheating.

Yours Pirate

Derek doesn't cheat or fake anything? Here's an excerpt from The Mirrors exposure of LivingTV's Most Haunted and of Derek's cheating way back in 2005-

SPOOKY TRUTH: TV'S MOST HAUNTED CON EXPOSED TV

Antix Productions claims the mediums have no idea where they will be filming or know any details about the history of the locations.


But resident parapsychologist Dr Ciaran O'Keeffe says: "Derek must have had prior knowledge of the locations."


He devised a plan to see if Derek was deliberately deceiving the public.


While on a shoot at Bodmin gaol he invented a long-dead South African jailer called Kreed Kafer - an anagram of Derek Faker.


"I wrote the name down and asked another member of the crew to mention it to Derek before filming.


"I honestly didn't think Derek would take the bait. But during the filming he actually got possessed by my fictional character!"


On the next shoot at Prideaux Place, Cornwall, Ciaran made up another fictional character, highwayman Rik Eedles - an anagram of Derek Lies. Sure enough, Derek made contact with the dead outlaw.


Ciaran says: "In my professional opinion we're not dealing with a genuine medium.


"When Derek is possessed he is doing it consciously - all we are seeing is showmanship and dramatics."


Ciaran went a step further at Craigievar Castle, near Aberdeen.


"I made up stories about Richard the Lionheart, a witch, and Richard's apparition appearing to walk through a wardrobe - the lion, the witch and the wardrobe!" True to form, Derek mentioned all Ciaran's stories - even though Richard I reigned 500 years BEFORE Craigievar Castle was built.


The final straw came last month when Most Haunted presented a three-night special from Manchester.


On the second evening, the show claimed to be broadcasting live from the site of Cheadle's Victorian asylum, a place where - according to presenter David Bull - thousands died in torment. In fact they were in the derelict remains of Barnes Convalescence Home - where nobody died in torment.


Ciaran remembers: "Derek was communicating with spirits that sounded as if they'd been in an asylum, but it was never an asylum."