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  • There is the phrase innocent until proven guilty. This is true, but let's note two key facts:

    1) There is no real proof Wallace DIDN'T kill Julia.

    2) There is proof Parry didn't.

    This is likely why the book focuses on the idea of Parry using an accomplice to commit the crime.

    Now let's focus on key issues...

    - PARRY VS WALLACE AS THE CALLER -

    Parry:

    1) Parry had no alibi for the call.

    2) Parry was known to make prank calls by some (not that reliable) sources. Even if he wasn't planning a crime, it's possible he could make such a call.

    3) Beattie claims the voice sounded nothing like Wallace.

    4) He may have refused to call when Wallace is there as Wallace may potentially recognize his voice.

    5) He was invited to a 21st birthday or something the next day.

    6) The Qualtrough nonsense helps to set up a possibility of Julia admitting such a person into the house... Though it takes a small leap of faith that Wallace would definitely give her all the facts, and a note would serve the purpose better as it makes it more likely she would see it, and avoid more witnesses which a phone call creates. Especially given the house is so close to the phone booth, it certainly wasn't due to convenience.

    Wallace:

    1) Wallace would have been at/passing by the phone booth around the time the call was made.

    2) Wallace was physically unable to call back later as he obviously can't call himself unless we're in some Mulholland Drive dream world lol.

    3) The phone booth was coincidentally very close to Wallace's house, yet the caller apparently did not know this as he requested his address.

    4) A phone call serves him well in setting up an alibi, as he then has someone to corroborate the facts given on the call.

    5) Unless staking out his home (a possibility), the caller couldn't have known Wallace would definitely go to the chess club.

    - WAS THE CRIME A BURGLARY GONE WRONG? -

    1) Julia was in the parlor, the "sneak" burglar she supposedly caught was stealing insurance money from a different room, so she would have been killed in the kitchen.

    2) If she caught a burglar she would scream or shout, the neighbors were home and heard Wallace's soft knocks on the door, but didn't hear Julia scream? This shows the blow was most likely unexpected, and that she was not suspicious in any way at the time she was killed.

    3) If she caught a burglar she would run to the phone or door to escape. She would not be found battered in the parlor with no evidence of a struggle.

    4) Many things were NOT taken which easily could have been. The killer took care to even replace the insurance box.

    ---

    Therefore it makes sense that if it was a burglary, killing Julia was in fact part of the plan all along, and that she was likely killed before any such burglary began taking place.

    Assuming this is true, something caused the burglar to panic and leave quickly (maybe a noise outside, hypothetically) before swiping any other very easy to reach valuables.

    I conclude that even in the event of a burglary, Julia was killed before the burglary took place.

    - WAS THE CRIME A PLANNED MURDER? -

    1) The fact Julia was probably killed before the burglary/faking of a burglary began, indicates that murder was part of the plan all along.

    2) There is no tracking of blood out of the room. Blood marks found upstairs could very well have been left after the witnesses and police arrived. In fact that seems most likely considering there is no blood elsewhere. Clearly the killer took MANY precautions to ensure the act was clean. To be able to pull something like that off in a split second without premeditation is very unlikely.

    3) The burglary seems clearly staged.

    ---

    I'm inclined to think it was a planned assassination because of the lack of things taken from the home. The only reason for this would be if the killer believed they had very little time to act. For example due to an outside noise that spooked them...

    Though if this was true, it takes a huge stretch of the imagination to believe they would take the trouble of turning out the lights, before fleeing the scene. Also that someone who had just committed murder would take time to replace the insurance money box.

    - DID GORDON PARRY COMMIT OR MASTERMIND THE PLAN? -

    1) Based on other crimes he has been caught for committing, Gordon Parry appears to be a sloppy criminal with little to no forethought, not someone who could engineer something so cunning.

    2) Gordon Parry has an alibi for the time of the murder from a number of different people (hence the accomplice theory suggested in this book).

    In my opinion, if Parry had an accomplice, his accomplice was the smarter of the two, and is the one who concocted the plan and carried out the killing. Maybe Parry brought up the idea of robbery or murder and his accomplice came up with the scheme.

    There are also numerous reasons why the Qualtrough plan, if it was not Wallace, is not very good, mainly that it takes several leaps of faith (OR would require staking out the home):

    First that Wallace would go to the chess club, second that Beattie would remember to deliver the message and get the details correct (if not written down), third that Wallace would not look up the location or name in advance to see it doesn't exist, fourth that Wallace would be gone for a long time if he did go out (and not find out quickly he's been duped), fifth that his wife would be told the details that Wallace was meeting Qualtrough. ALSO that when they saw Wallace leave his house, that he really WAS going to Menlove, and not just making a quick trip to a local newsagents or whatever.

    Being a mere 3 minutes from Wallace's home, it would have been easy for an accomplice to deliver a note. Here's a plan I propose a real killer/burglar would use:

    1) Deliver a note to Wallace suggesting a REAL address much further away than Menlove Gardens (Wallace covered a very large area of Liverpool when called out on business meetings), so it's more likely he'd not be suspicious and actually go.

    Why? There's a higher chance of Julia finding out the details, less chance people would find out about those details (which means less potential witnesses or people who could have their suspicions raised), and it ensures Wallace would receive the message with the correct details, and Wallace will be gone for a longer period of time.

    2) Wait for Wallace to leave, then the accomplice would go to the door as Qualtrough. A ruse would be used to gain admittance (since she may not let him in if she knows her husband will be gone for a long time, or if too recent, he may be told to chase him).

    3) Julia would set up the parlor for the guest, and he would then attack her and begin robbing the home (or staging one, for some unknown reason). Knowing Wallace would be gone for a long time, the killer would have ample time to collect things, and to wash himself off in the shower or sink.

    - DID WALLACE COMMIT OR MASTERMIND THE PLAN? -

    1) He was placed near the phone booth from which the call to Beattie was made at the time of the call.

    2) Telling the story over the phone insures he has people to corroborate his story and back up the idea that it was a genuine call from a mystery man. Receiving a call at his home or a note means only he and his wife would know about it.

    3) His behavior in asking many people and describing his story to many people on his way to Menlove Gardens is unusual. It is very consistent with other crimes in which killers have attempted establishing alibis. Same with how he mentioned it so much to his chess buddies etc.

    4) The robbery is very likely staged.

    5) He only claimed to call at his friend's house who was a local to Menlove AFTER finding out his friend was not home. He claimed he said so in a statement, but there was no record of this.

    6) He was apparently seen talking to a mysterious man matching Marsden's description soon before arriving home. Wallace looks VERY distinctive and tall, and it's hard to imagine someone mistaking him for someone else, especially knowing him by sight so well. Unless she lied..

    7) Wallace made many blunders and contradictions, I'll list them as follows:

    i. Claims the killer was still in the house when he arrived. Later changes this claim and says he must have been mistaken.

    ii. Said the locks were not like that in the morning, but a locksmith said they had been that way for years.

    iii. Considering he believed someone was in his house he did not call out or vocalize in any way, as someone might in such a situation in real life. And if so he would go around the house in more of a hasty frenzy once inside, shouting for his wife as soon as he entered. Of course he retracted this claim.

    iv. Claims his wife bolted the back yard door. Went back on this.

    v. Said his wife accompanied him down the entry. Went back on this.

    vi. Arguable blunder on the light in the kitchen debacle. Apparently refused to let the officer test if light could escape through the curtain.

    vii. Claims he spoke to nobody on the way home but then says maybe he would've greeted someone if he knew them.

    viii. Arguable blunders about the bolts on the doors. The constable remembers hearing no bolt withdrawn on the front door. He also said he may have thought the back door was bolted, but not anymore.

    8) He left his neighbors outside, even though apparently at the time he thought there was someone in the house. Seems dangerous.

    9) Did not notice an iron bar was missing, and claimed to have never seen it before. This seems incredibly doubtful, especially seeing as it was propped up in an obvious place.

    10) With Wallace's character, it is almost inconceivable that he wouldn't look up the address in advance to ensure he'd be punctual to make his appointment. Not just turn up in the district running around asking people. Particular seeing as he was a "total stranger to the district" (despite having been proven to be somewhat familiar with that general area).

    11) What sort of killer makes sure they turn off all the lights and stove before leaving?

    - ODDITIES -

    1) Said he had not been into the bedroom in 2 weeks. Seems weird for a married couple?

    2) Have your eyes ever actually watered in cold weather?

    3) Hesitates regarding matters surrounding the mackintosh and kitchen light (did not want the constable to test if light could escape the curtain). Unsure why.
    Last edited by WallaceWackedHer; 02-03-2019, 06:47 AM.

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    • Hi WallaceWackedHer

      Great post. Let's start with the phone call. Amending your points, is this a fair summary?

      - PARRY VS WALLACE AS THE CALLER -

      Parry:

      1) Parry had no alibi for the call.

      2) Parry was known to make prank calls by some (not that reliable) sources. Even if he wasn't planning a crime, it's possible he could make such a call.

      3) Beattie claims the voice sounded nothing like Wallace.

      4) He would have refused to call (back later) when Wallace is there as Wallace may potentially recognize Parry's voice and quizzed him more on details

      5) He was invited to a 21st birthday or something the next day.

      6) The Qualtrough nonsense helps to set up a possibility of Julia admitting such a person into the house... Though it takes a small leap of faith that Wallace would definitely give her all the facts, and a note would serve the purpose better as it makes it more likely she would see it, and avoid more witnesses which a phone call creates. Especially given the house is so close to the phone booth, it certainly wasn't due to convenience. [But presumably it was convenience for Wallace, although he was using a call box which arguably carried the highest risk of him being recognised].

      7) Timings are a small pointer it was not Wallace (see Waiting for an Alibi)

      8) A possible free-call scam best explains why the caller said "Operator I have pushed button A...". If the caller had pushed A, and lost his two pennies, you would have thought this would have been raised as part of the caller's complaint. And Wallace was experienced at using call boxes - as Sayer pointed out in 1936 - if genuinely true it was a rookie mistake.

      9) Parry misled the police as to his whereabouts on the night of the call, saying he went to the Lloyd's house at 5:30pm and stayed 6 hours, even though he actually turned up in his car minutes after the call ended, stayed a few minutes with his girlfriends' mother, left after a few minutes to go to Park Lane and then returned at 9pm. By contrast, for the night after, he knew his movements down to the last 10 minutes (between 8:30pm and 9pm).

      Wallace:

      1) Wallace would have been at/passing by the phone booth around the time the call was made. (BTW, if operator Alfreds is correct, this implies Wallace left his house no later than 7:11 pm).

      2) Wallace was physically unable to call back later as he obviously can't call himself while at the chess club.

      3) The caller requested Wallace's address, something only Wallace could be certain Beattie did not have

      4) A phone call serves him well in setting up an alibi, as he then has someone to corroborate the facts given on the call.

      5) Unless staking out his home (a possibility), the caller couldn't have known Wallace would definitely go to the chess club.


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      • Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post

        Wallace:

        1) Wallace would have been at/passing by the phone booth around the time the call was made. (BTW, if operator Alfreds is correct, this implies Wallace left his house no later than 7:11 pm).
        Wallace COULD have been at/passing by the phone booth... Except his stated route never went anywhere near it. The Police never even started to prove otherwise. Indeed, they unaccountably shied away from attempting to prove/disprove any of Wallace's Monday night movements...
        it remained just a [convenient] Police theory, unsupported by any evidence.
        Last edited by RodCrosby; 02-03-2019, 10:22 AM.

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        • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post

          Wallace COULD have been at/passing by the phone booth... Except his stated route never went anywhere near it. The Police never even started to prove otherwise. Indeed, they unaccountably shied away from attempting to prove/disprove any of Wallace's Monday night movements...
          it remained just a [convenient] Police theory, unsupported by any evidence.
          Hi Rod, the timings make it possible that Wallace left at 7.11 pm and went to the phone box, which is WWH's point of course. However, I agree that the extant record of the police investigation of the Monday night is conspicuous by its absence. Either they didn't bother, or they never made a record of their findings, or the findings were removed from the file at some point. I think that is an exhaustive list, and all raise troubling questions.
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          • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post

            Wallace COULD have been at/passing by the phone booth... Except his stated route never went anywhere near it. The Police never even started to prove otherwise. Indeed, they unaccountably shied away from attempting to prove/disprove any of Wallace's Monday night movements...
            it remained just a [convenient] Police theory, unsupported by any evidence.
            I'm afraid this is mostly Prejudice and Fancy

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            • Originally posted by RodCrosby View Post
              "It was an episode without point, without bearing, without force; it defies connection with reasoning and logic; it detracts by its almost imbecile irrelevance from the dignity with which the trial was otherwise invested...

              The notion is farcical, and I doubt whether Hemmerde relished the job of presenting such a witness. He was never afraid to criticise police follies, and one can imagine the blistering comment he would have made if this particular episode had occurred in a case which he had been trying in his capacity as Recorder of the city.

              'I wonder,' Oliver said, 'if it occurred to you that your eyes could water with the cold?'

              The constable assented.

              'And you might rub them?' '

              Quite possible.' "

              Verdict in Dispute, Edgar Lustgarten (1950)
              “It was an episode without point, without bearing.....!”

              A staggeringly dumb statement. Wallace seen weeping in the street before he killed Julia. Was Lustgarten ‘tired and emotional’ when he wrote This?
              Regards

              Sir Herlock Sholmes.

              “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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              • Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post
                Hi WallaceWackedHer

                Great post. Let's start with the phone call. Amending your points, is this a fair summary?

                - PARRY VS WALLACE AS THE CALLER -

                Parry:

                1) Parry had no alibi for the call.

                2) Parry was known to make prank calls by some (not that reliable) sources. Even if he wasn't planning a crime, it's possible he could make such a call.

                3) Beattie claims the voice sounded nothing like Wallace.

                4) He would have refused to call (back later) when Wallace is there as Wallace may potentially recognize Parry's voice and quizzed him more on details

                5) He was invited to a 21st birthday or something the next day.

                6) The Qualtrough nonsense helps to set up a possibility of Julia admitting such a person into the house... Though it takes a small leap of faith that Wallace would definitely give her all the facts, and a note would serve the purpose better as it makes it more likely she would see it, and avoid more witnesses which a phone call creates. Especially given the house is so close to the phone booth, it certainly wasn't due to convenience. [But presumably it was convenience for Wallace, although he was using a call box which arguably carried the highest risk of him being recognised].

                7) Timings are a small pointer it was not Wallace (see Waiting for an Alibi)

                8) A possible free-call scam best explains why the caller said "Operator I have pushed button A...". If the caller had pushed A, and lost his two pennies, you would have thought this would have been raised as part of the caller's complaint. And Wallace was experienced at using call boxes - as Sayer pointed out in 1936 - if genuinely true it was a rookie mistake.

                9) Parry misled the police as to his whereabouts on the night of the call, saying he went to the Lloyd's house at 5:30pm and stayed 6 hours, even though he actually turned up in his car minutes after the call ended, stayed a few minutes with his girlfriends' mother, left after a few minutes to go to Park Lane and then returned at 9pm. By contrast, for the night after, he knew his movements down to the last 10 minutes (between 8:30pm and 9pm).

                Wallace:

                1) Wallace would have been at/passing by the phone booth around the time the call was made. (BTW, if operator Alfreds is correct, this implies Wallace left his house no later than 7:11 pm).

                2) Wallace was physically unable to call back later as he obviously can't call himself while at the chess club.

                3) The caller requested Wallace's address, something only Wallace could be certain Beattie did not have

                4) A phone call serves him well in setting up an alibi, as he then has someone to corroborate the facts given on the call.

                5) Unless staking out his home (a possibility), the caller couldn't have known Wallace would definitely go to the chess club.

                Yes these amendments are good. But remember:

                1) We only have Wallace's word about the time he left his home, and aside from that (like Rod) I stand by it being possible that he could have been at the box at the time the call was made.

                2) The phone booth the caller used has been claimed to have been faulty, which may explain a blunder.

                3) Another (perhaps more reaching) possibility is that the caller - assuming it was Wallace - wanted to speak to an operator to ensure the time and fact the call was made had another witness.

                Knowing that the call would be such a vital clue, he may have suspected the police would make inquiries and that the operator may then come forward with information.

                Remember, when Beattie said the call came at around 7, Wallace implored him to get closer than that, so if it was him, the timing of that call appears to have been critical in his mind.

                4) If Wallace was making a call with murder in his mind, he may have been more nervous and thus more prone to making a mistake. Especially knowing he was calling someone who could potentially recognize his voice. He was a cool and collected man by all accounts, but even so we must keep in mind the possible psychological burden.

                5) I would replace my parry point 1 with your more elaborate point 9.

                P.S. I also see the possibility of the crime being a purposeful framing of Wallace (with the main objective being to kill Julia and have Wallace receive the death penalty), and the caller knew the call would be traced to a box near Wallace's house.

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                I think it's more interesting to discuss whether murder was part of the plan all along, as your book states it was a robbery gone wrong.
                Last edited by WallaceWackedHer; 02-03-2019, 12:16 PM.

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                • Originally posted by WallaceWackedHer View Post

                  Yes these amendments are good. But remember:

                  1) We only have Wallace's word about the time he left his home, and aside from that (like Rod) I stand by it being possible that he could have been at the box at the time the call was made. Yes I agree, as I said in post #2014.

                  2) The phone booth the caller used has been claimed to have been faulty, which may explain a blunder. The complaint was logged as NO REPLY because no one was answering at the cafe. This is more likely to be a fault at BANK 3581 or the phone line, if there was a fault. But this does not explain why the caller did not push button B, re-insert his coins and start over. That was what Button B was for. But, according to the caller, he pushed button A, lost his two pennies, inserted another two coins and reconnected to the operator. I suggest that's more likely to be someone not used to using public phones, or someone lying to fiddle a free call.

                  3) Another (perhaps more reaching) possibility is that the caller - assuming it was Wallace - wanted to speak to an operator to ensure the time and fact the call was made had another witness. Knowing that the call would be such a vital clue, he may have suspected the police would make inquiries and that the operator may then come forward with information. Remember, when Beattie said the call came at around 7, Wallace implored him to get closer than that, so if it was him, the timing of that call appears to have been critical in his mind. As HS has pointed out in an earlier post, there was no way any caller could know the call would be logged. If Beattie passed on the message, Beattie was the witness, and that's all Wallace needed to show someone had left a message. Why was the timing was so critical? On the other hand, logging the call gave the location of the call box, which was far more damaging to Wallace. I believe there would have been no prosecution had the call not been traced to Anfield 1627; indeed it was instrumental in getting him arrested. If it was Wallace, he blundered badly.

                  4) If Wallace was making a call with murder in his mind, he may have been more nervous and thus more prone to making a mistake. Especially knowing he was calling someone who could potentially recognize his voice. He was a cool and collected man by all accounts, but even so we must keep in mind the possible psychological burden. I agree that Wallace might have been on edge, but to the point of confusing Button A (deposits the coins) at the top with Button B (returns the coins) at the side?

                  5) I would replace my parry point 1 with your more elaborate point 9. OK.

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                  I think it's more interesting to discuss whether murder was part of the plan all along, as your book states it was a robbery gone wrong.
                  Let's concentrate on the call, before moving on to the other sections of your post; the call was your first section, after all.
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                  • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                    Wallace seen weeping in the street before he killed Julia.
                    Hi HS, his stoicism clearly deserted him, if this is true. But he had, by all accounts, dried his eyes and cheered up when he visited his next customer.

                    Interestingly, the only other time Wallace allegedly cried was being taken away in the Black Maria after being sentenced to death. Another odd reaction from someone who had beaten his wife to death and knew he might only have a few years, or months even, to live anyway.

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                    • Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post

                      Hi HS, his stoicism clearly deserted him, if this is true. But he had, by all accounts, dried his eyes and cheered up when he visited his next customer.

                      Interestingly, the only other time Wallace allegedly cried was being taken away in the Black Maria after being sentenced to death. Another odd reaction from someone who had beaten his wife to death and knew he might only have a few years, or months even, to live anyway.

                      I hardly think you can call crying when being taken away sentenced to die (regardless of guilt or innocence) a weird reaction for anyone of any disposition or life circumstance. YMMV.

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                      • Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post
                        Let's concentrate on the call, before moving on to the other sections of your post; the call was your first section, after all.
                        I enjoyed reading your points above, they're very good. Is it certain that nobody could've known the call would be logged or traced to that box?

                        I've entertained numerous ideas surrounding the call, I could list many more speculations I've had. Sadly I'm not too familiar with how those phone boxes work, or of the quality of phone lines at the time, or of whether there are any other more private phone boxes Wallace could've used on his route to the club.

                        I am more firm in the belief that the killing of Julia, regardless of who the perpetrator was, was part of the plan.

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                        • Originally posted by MoriartyGardensEast View Post


                          I hardly think you can call crying when being taken away sentenced to die (regardless of guilt or innocence) a weird reaction for anyone of any disposition or life circumstance. YMMV.
                          Fair enough, MGE. But crying in the street is quite out of character. He didn't cry in the dock, only in the black maria. He didn't cry in front of the police officers, only in front of neighbours/friends. Perhaps that's a stronger point.
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                          • Originally posted by WallaceWackedHer View Post

                            I enjoyed reading your points above, they're very good. Is it certain that nobody could've known the call would be logged or traced to that box?

                            I've entertained numerous ideas surrounding the call, I could list many more speculations I've had. Sadly I'm not too familiar with how those phone boxes work, or of the quality of phone lines at the time, or of whether there are any other more private phone boxes Wallace could've used on his route to the club.

                            I am more firm in the belief that the killing of Julia, regardless of who the perpetrator was, was part of the plan.
                            WWH, thank you for your comments. Before we move on, let's take a look at the evidence of the phone call, as in the listed amendments. Who do you think most likely made the call and - most importantly - why?

                            P.S. You might want to add more points to list first. I can think of one Rod raised to support Parry in the box:

                            9. The voice was described by the operators as ordinary - Wallace spent the first 36 years outside of Liverpool and would not have had an "ordinary" Liverpool accent.

                            On the other hand, a point raised by HS, is that

                            6. The voice was described by the operators as older.
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                            • Originally posted by ColdCaseJury View Post

                              WWH, thank you for your comments. Before we move on, let's take a look at the evidence of the phone call, as in the listed amendments. Who do you think most likely made the call and - most importantly - why?
                              Tough question, I wouldn't like to say who. It's a factor I'm unsure of. You could convince me either way...

                              Although within the scope of your book I pose to you this: If Parry had an accomplice, why didn't he have his accomplice make the call and supply himself with a rock solid alibi (knowing there was a possibility he could be a suspect)?

                              I do not believe Parry would have placed that call unless he was working alone or making a genuine prank call. Furthermore, if the crime was premeditated (whether a robbery or a planned killing), I suspect no call would have been made, but a note delivered instead... And imagining it's a robbery, what housebreaker comes up with such a devious plan in the first place? Meticulous planning like this is more often consistent with murder or BIG TIME crime like bank robbery, not petty house burglary.

                              I think if there was an accomplice, the accomplice also made the call (but then why didn't Parry ensure he had a better alibi?). Makes you wonder wtf Parry was even needed for if that's true, except to dispose of a murder weapon and tell the guy where the cash box is lol. And to add to that, if you subscribe to the fact one of the items from Wallace's home was used to kill Julia, why would they dispose of it at all?

                              I don't believe with certainty that the caller was definitely the killer or burglar. It would be a big coincidence for sure! But I wouldn't say it's a certainty.
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                              • There is also the "ka-FAY" business, which sounds highfalutin', possibly giving the impression of an older, supercilious or overly-refined person.

                                Telephone operator Dorothy Carr (sp?) was adamant in 1981 this was how the word was pronounced. She also implied that the other operators knew Wallace's voice!

                                "a man like Mr. Wallace we didn't think would use that, he was - as the other girls called him - a very timid man..."

                                Remember in 1931, all calls were put through by operators at the Anfield exchange, and Wallace agreed he had previously used the phone at the library, and - IIRC - the phone box.

                                So it's quite possible the operators knew Wallace's voice, and that is indeed what Dorothy Carr seems to be saying.

                                Contrast "the very timid man" with Beattie's recollections of the caller.

                                "I went to the phone and a man's voice - a gruffish voice but of a man sure of himself, a strong voiced man - enquired for Mr. Wallace and asked would he be there."
                                Samuel Beattie, statement, 1931

                                Goodman (1987) adds the words "strong and gruff, ready of utterance, confident, definite in knowing what to say, peremptory" to Beattie's description.

                                And then we have Parry...
                                "Dick [Parry] was one hell of a character. Used to get a lot of people's backs up. Had an incredibly arrogant manner on the telephone. Bit of a handicap really because that was his job: switchboard operator."
                                Phil Roberts (undertaker), 1980
                                Last edited by RodCrosby; 02-03-2019, 02:52 PM.

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