JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

It is regularly claimed, and has been claimed on here, that Kennedy ‘had to go’ because certain agencies were intent on keeping the war in Vietnam’s going, whereas Kennedy was intent on withdrawing troops and committed to bringing the conflict to an end. Therefore we have at least one raison d’etre for the assassination. I’ve never really questioned the part about Kennedy being committed to withdrawal….so is it true or as black and white as some claim?

In an interview with Walter Cronkite on September 2, 1963, Kennedy said:

“It doesn’t do us any good to say, ‘Well why don’t we all just go home and leave the world to those who are our enemies,’” And, “I don’t agree with those who say that we should withdraw. That would be a great mistake. That would be a great mistake.”

Kennedy also said to David Brinkley and Chet Huntley:

“What I am concerned about is that Americans will get impatient and say because they don’t like events in Southeast Asia or they don’t like the government in Saigon, that we should withdraw. That only makes it easy for the communists. I think we should stay.”

Then at a September 12th press conference he said:

“We want the war to be won, the communists to be contained and the Americans to go home. That is our policy. I am sure it is the policy of the people of Vietnam. But we are not there to see a war lost, and we will follow the policy which I have indicated today of advancing those causes and issues which help win the war.”

On Oct 2nd the Kennedy White House issued a statement:

“….the military program in south Vietnam has made progress,” followed by, “the major part of the U.S military task can be completed by the end of 1965,” and that “by the end of this year the U.S. program for training Vietnamese should have progressed to the point where 1,000 U.S. military personnel assigned to Vietnam can be withdrawn.”

But during the October 2nd meeting with Robert McNamara, General Maxwell Taylor and senior advisors (prior to the above statement) it transpired that the 1965 date was ‘hopeful.’ Kennedy said:

“Well, let’s say it anyway. Then ‘65, if it doesn’t work out, we’ll get a new date.”

The Johnson administration release National Security Action Memoranda 273 which has been suggested as a change of direction in regard to Vietnam but in Robert McNamara’s book Retrospect he said that it: “….made it clear that Johnson’s policy remained the same as Kennedy’s: To assist the people and government of South Vietnam to win their contest against the externally directed and supported Communist conspiracy, through training support and without the application of overt U.S. military force.”

Dean Rusk wrote in his book that he: “talked with John Kennedy on hundreds of occasions about Southeast Asia, and not once did he ever suggest or even hint at withdrawal.”

So that particular ‘motive’ for conspiracy appears to hold little, if any, water. So CT’s are left with a ‘regime change’ which left ‘friend of the right-wingers’ LBJ to push through the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Clean Air Act and The Social Security Amendments (1965) which created Medicare and Medicaid. Also The Voting Rights Act of 1965 (preventing discrimination in voting) He also declared his ‘War on Poverty’ to help the poorest in society.

I bet those conspirators were ecstatic to see Kennedy gone and their boy Lyndon bringing in all of the above legislation which would have been so close to their right wing hearts? That Johnson and the FBI and the CIA and the Secret Service and the Military and the Police would have undertaken such a mind-bogglingly risky undertaking with such disastrous consequences if uncovered, and all for such negligible ‘benefits,’ beggars belief.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I take your point about Burroughs, but I didn't mention him - and what he said was not said in testimony.

I was referring to Benavides, not Burroughs!

Markham gives Oswald even less time than does Benavides.

Even if it was humanly possible for Oswald to have got there in time to shoot Tippit, why would he have done so, unless to keep an appointment with him?

I find this strange to say the least. Why do you allot a ‘time’ to Benavides? What time did he stop to help the guy whose car had broken down?

“I imagine it was around 1.00.”

So it was simply an estimate. And how did he arrive at that estimate? He’d just eaten his lunch, saying:

“…..I had eaten around 12.00, somewhere around 12 o’clock.”

So to sum up, he estimated what time he’d had lunch then he estimated how long had his lunch break taken to arrive at an estimation of the time that he stopped to help the guy with the broken down car. And you try to use this as some kind of ‘proof’ of time?

[Herlock Sholmes]

But why?

Why would Oswald have made a superhuman effort to get to the scene of the Tippit shooting except to satisfy his accusers?

What would have been the point of the alleged assassin's rushing to the spot where Tippit was shot, unless he had a rendezvous with him?

So is the timing the issue that you’re trying to make it?

We need to start by asking 3 questions:

1. What was the earliest approximate time that Oswald could have reached his rooming house?
2. How long might he have been in there?
3. How long could it have taken to walk from his rooming house to the scene of Tippit’s murder?

So..

1. Earlene Roberts said that he’d arrived at around 1.00 but the first thing that needs pointing out is how unreliable Roberts was. We only have to read her talk of a police car outside the rooming house to realise the answer to this one. ‘Fruit loop’ is the phrase I’d happily use. She kept changing the number of the car when she was consistently proven wrong. Mrs Johnson also said that she’d sacked her a couple of times due to her tall stories so, in short, she isn’t the most reliable of witnesses to put it mildly. Then we have to accept that she was just estimating the time and so we can’t narrow down Oswald’s arrival time from Roberts so we have to look at his actions prior to his arrival to see what time he could have arrived.

Oswald leaves the TSBD after being seen by Baker and Truly - around 12.32

Oswald boards Cecil McWatters bus - around 12.39

Oswald leaves the bus - around 12.43

Oswald walks around the corner and gets in to Whaley’s taxi which is parked there - around 12.46

The combined time for the taxi ride and Oswald’s walk back to the rooming house was timed at between 10 and 11 minutes, so - around12.56 to 12.57.

(A point rarely mentioned, and never by CT’s, is that Whaley saw Oswald initially walk in the opposite direction to his rooming house then he saw him turn around and walk the other way as he drove off. Mr. Innocent behaving perfectly normally of course.)

Obviously it ‘could’ have been a bit later but that’s not the point. We are trying to assess how much time he could have had. It could easily have been 12.55 when he reached his rooming house for all that we know. We simply can’t dismiss this.

2. What could have taken up any time? He put a jacket on and picked up his revolver. Even if he’d loaded his revolver he could easily have been in and out in 2 minutes or even less; what else did he need to do? Nothing. Roberts couldn’t give an exact time for how long before he left. So Oswald could have left the rooming house at 12.58 or 12.59 (I’d add that it could easily have been 12.57)

3. Secret Service agents and various researches timed the 0.85 mile walk at between 11 and 13 minutes. Remember, Roberts said that he was walking quickly when he left.

So this means that Oswald ‘could’ have actually reached the scene of Tippit’s murder any time between 1.09 and 1.12. So 1.13/1.14/1.15 would have been no problem at all.

That’s evidence-based.

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So what time was Tippit killed by Oswald? Let’s start by looking at Benavides and let’s also remember to make fair allowances for memory when people are estimating times (something that you’re usually reluctant to do.)

When asked what time he’d stopped to assist the guy who car had broken down Benavides said:

“I imagine it was around 1.00.”

He’d just eaten his lunch, saying:

“…..I had eaten around 12.00, somewhere around 12 o’clock.”

So not only was he uncertain about the time that he’d stopped to help the man he was even uncertain about the starting point for his estimation plus he didn’t seem to know how long it took him to eat his lunch,

So he sees the guy in the car around 1.00 according to his guess so it could easily have been later than that. He has a look at the car then drives away to get a carburettor part but he forgot the number so he turned back just as he’d got to the nearby parts house. He then saw the car and Tippit had already got out. Benavides pulled up. He then heard the first shot after which he pulled the car into the kerb. He ducked down and heard 2 more shots. He looked up and saw Tippit fall. He saw Oswald walk away. He then waited for a ‘few minutes.’

So how long is a ‘few minutes?’ We all know that people often use ‘minute’ as little more than a figure of speech. If someone says “wait a minute,” it doesn’t mean that the time period was necessarily exactly a minute…it might actually have been a very few seconds or more than a minute. Benavides did go into more detail later though when asked.

During a CBS TV broadcast, Benavides said: “I gave him enough time to get around the house.” Then: “Thinking he might have went in the house. I set there for maybe a second or two and then and then jumped out of the truck and run over. As I walked by, I didn’t even slow down, I seen the Officer’s dead. So I just walked on - got in the car and I figured that would be the fastest way….to get a police officer out.” (He was talking about using Tippit’s Police radio of course)

It’s also worth noting that in a Police statement Ronald Fischer (Dealey Plaza witness) used the phrase “a minute or two.” Then at the WC said “15 or 20 seconds.” He explained by saying “Well, I might have said ‘a minute or two’ in just terms.

So Benavides got to the radio a few seconds after seeing that Oswald had fled (immediately after shooting Tippit). After hearing the shots Ted Calloway goes from his workplace to the street and sees Scoggins behind his cab. He then sees Oswald come around the corner and cross the road coming in his direction, he calls over to him as he got nearer. Oswald slowed and said something to him that he didn’t catch. He saw him walk West on Jefferson then Calloway called to a B.D. Searcy and asked him to follow Oswald (which Searcy didn’t do). Calloway then ran around to the crime scene. So we can’t pinpoint the exact time that Calloway arrived at the scene. I suspect that there might have been a bit more of a delay than he realised after looking at the transcripts of the Police radio.

This was Domingo Benavides at the Warren Commission talking about the period after he’s seen Oswald walk away…. he waited then he went to Tippit’s car and:

Benavides: ……I went in and pulled the radio and i mashed the button and told them that an officer had been shot, and I didn’t get and answer, so I said it again, and this guy asked me whereabouts all of a sudden, and I said, on 10th Street. I couldn’t remember where it was at the time. So I looked up and I seen this number and I said 410 East 10th Street.

Belin: You saw a number on the house then?

Benavides: Yes.

Belin: All right.

Benavides: Then he started to - then I don’t know what he said; but I put the radio back. I mean, the microphone back up, and this other guy was standing there, so I got up out of the car, and I don’t know, I wasn’t sure if he heard me, and the other guy sat down in the car.

Belin: There was another passer-by that stopped?

Benavides: Yes, sir.

Belin: Who was he, do you know?

Benavides: I couldn’t tell you. I don’t know who he was.

Belin: Was he driving a car or walking?

Benavides: I don’t know. He was just standing there whenever I looked up. He was standing at the door of the car, and I don’t know what he said to the officer or the phone, but the officer told him to keep the line clear, or something, and stay off the phone, or something like that. That he already knew about it. So I then turned and walked off. I never did assist him after that at all.

So Benavides did get through but was uncertain that the police had received his message.

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The other man was Temple Ford Bowley.

TF Bowley’s affidavit (2.12.63)

I looked at my watch and it said 1:10 pm. Several people were at the scene. When I got there the first thing I did was try to help the officer. He appeared beyond help to me. A man was trying to use the radio in the squad car but stated he didn’t know how to operate it. I knew how and took the radio from him. I said, “Hello, operator. A Police Officer has been shot here.” The dispatcher asked for the location. I found out the location and told the dispatcher what it was. A few minutes later an ambulance came to the scene. I helped load the Officer onto the stretcher and into the ambulance. As we picked the Officer up, I noticed his pistol laying on the ground under him. Someone picked the pistol up and and laid it on the hood of the squad car. When the ambulance left, I took the gun and put it inside the squad car. A man took the pistol out and said, “Let’s catch him.” He opened the cylinder, and I saw that no rounds had been in it had been fired. This man then took the pistol with him and got into a cab and drove of.

(Fuel for the conspiracy theorists….Bowley knew Jack Ruby)

……

Ted Calloway in his short police statement made no mention of using the police radio.

But….

Ted Calloway at the Warren Commission:


Ball: When you got there what did you see?


Calloway: I saw a squad car, and by that time there was four or five people that had gathered, a couple of cars had stopped. Then I saw - I went up to the squad car and saw the police officer lying in the street. I see he had been shot in the head. So the first thing I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn’t know whether anybody reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them and told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the officer was dead. They said we know about it, stay of the air, so I went back.

…….


The transcript of the Police radio are an absolute minefield especially to the non-specialist. But the first message received from a citizen is in the section between 1.16 and 1.18. Dale Myers who has studied them states that there are sounds on there which are entirely consistent with the efforts of someone incompetently trying to use the radio (which of course points toward Benavides ‘mashing the button’) So the 1.16 - 1.18 messages tie in with Benavides who was then replaced by Bowley.

Then we have another exchange within the radio period beginning in the 1.19 - 1.21 section. This message ended with the operator saying “10-4. We have that information. The citizen using the radio: remain off the radio now.” And what did Calloway say that the operator had said to him? “we know about it, stay of the air, “ So this can only be Calloway talking on the radio at around 1.19. Radio times aren’t always exact according to people who know about these things so some slight leeway should be allowed.

So it’s possible that Calloway might have been a little later getting there and/or perhaps he stood talking to someone for a short while plus checking on Tippit before using the radio. Then he makes the call not realising that this has already been done. What’s not believable is that he took something like 7 minutes to get from seeing Oswald to using the radio.

So although Bowley’s watch told him he’d arrived on the scene at 1.10 the police radio transcripts are clear. The first effort to contact the police via Tippit’s radio began at 1.16 (Benavides) followed by Bowley between 1.17 and 1.18 (he didn’t wait 7 or 8 minutes after arriving before using the radio - he did it almost immediately he arrived on the scene) followed by Calloway around 1.19. Calloway arrived not long after he’d heard the shots.

Therefore the evidence shows us that Oswald killed Tippit some time between 1.15 and1.16 and also that he had more than ample time to have got there. Of course conspiracy theorists want us to believe that Oswald was just staggeringly unlucky in that his timing placed him around the scene of Tippit’s murder just as an imposter was being misidentified by around 10 witness before handing the weapon over to Oswald so that he could go see a movie in safety. We should really take our hats off in appreciation of the effort that it’s taken to keep this tirade of nonsense going for 60 years. The case was conclusively solved on 22.11.63. Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy and Officer J.D. Tippit without a shadow of a doubt.

[FISHY1118]

The Roscoe White story is unbelievable even by conspiracy theorists standards Fishy. His son Ricky called a Press Conference 27 years after the assassination in 1990 with his story saying that he’d read it in his dad’s diary which he found in a shed in 1982 (so why he’d waited 8 years to make this revelation is anyone’s guess?) Of course he couldn’t actually produce this diary because it was ‘stolen’ by the FBI in 1988. Beverley Oliver (professional fantasist) claimed to have seen White’s father in his police uniform in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination - it’s a pity that she didn’t photograph him with the camera that she supposedly had which wasn’t available for sale at the time. Sadly, police records show that White didn’t start his police training at the academy until December 4th so he couldn’t have been on duty in his uniform in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd. Yet another strike out for Oliver.

Ricky claimed to have seen his father and 4 other men practicing for the assassination by firing into a car on a ranch near Van Horn, Texas which was a pretty good feat of memory considering that he was only 3 years old at the time. He also claimed that his father was a covert CIA operative codename “Mandarin” who fired 2 shots from behind the picket fence with a Mauser whilst a man called “Lebanon” fired 2 shots from the TSBD and a man called “Saul” fired 2 shots from the Dallas County Records Building and they did this because Kennedy was somehow a threat to world wide peace! He claimed that his father was probably murdered even though he was killed after receiving 99% burns resulting in an explosion at the premises where he worked as a welder.

White had actually first contacted the authorities in 1988 (when he claimed that his father’s diary had been stolen by the FBI) but he didn’t mention anything that he went on to mention in 1990. In 1988 he said nothing about his father being a CIA officer but what he did say was that his father, J.D. Tippit and Lee Harvey Oswald conspired to kill Kennedy because they were ex-Marines who were angry over The Bay Of Pigs (yawn) He claimed that his father and his father’s unnamed mistress (who supposedly worked at the TSBD) arranged for Oswald to get the job there. White showed the FBI some items including a receipt from the HSCA for a copy of the backyard photo but it was known that many police officers ‘acquired’ JFK assassination memorabilia so there was nothing particularly pertinent about that. The FBI closed its file on the matter in 1988 because they saw nothing of value in anything that White said and that he was simply trying to cash in on the conspiracy bandwagon.

White’s drivel was further exposed by 2 researchers. Firstly he claimed that his mother had received electro shock treatment from a Dr. Daniel Pearson to erase her memory of the conspiracy. David Perry contacted Dr Pearson who said that he had indeed given her electro shock treatment but for her depression and that it couldn’t erase someone’s memory. Roscoe White had actually received a hardship discharge from the Army due to his wife’s depression so her illness was clearly being treated using the accepted methods of the time. Then Perry and Gary Mack contacted a guy that Ricky White had claimed was a hit man in the conspiracy but he turned out to be an entirely innocent blueberry farmer. When Mack told White that he had good news for him, that his dad wasn’t an assassin, he expected him to be happy about it but he was just speechless and clearly disappointed. He had tried to sell his ludicrous story as a book and a movie and even got the backing of a group of 7 young oil millionaires but nothing ever came of it. One of the millionaires said later: “Ricky sounded sincere, and if what he said was true, he had the key to the biggest mystery in American History. We were young and naive, and being in Midland, had nothing much better to do. We figured we could spend about as much on this project as it would cost to drill a dry hole.”

A CT called Joe West tried to revive this nonsense by calling a press conference claiming that, before her death, Roscoe White’s wife, Geneva, found a copy of the diary which Oliver Stone paid $5000 for! Pretty much everyone who saw it believed that Geneva had created it herself. Hilariously one of the ‘handlers’ mentioned in the ‘diary’ was called ‘Watergate’ even though the Watergate scandal occurred 9 months after White died. And despite the entries supposedly being from between 1957 and 1971 they appeared to be written using the same felt pen. The best that can be said about White is that he went to Japan on the same ship as Oswald along with 7000 others (enough for a conspiracy theorist to get excited about of course) and White and Oswald were both stationed at Subic Bay in 1957 so they could conceivably have run into each other. But that’s all.

All of White’s ‘evidence’ was turned over to the Texas Attorney General’s office for investigation. They said that the ‘evidence’ had: “not given any credibility to anything these people have been trying to say.” The story is complete hogwash. Unsurprising Jim Garrison swallowed it (as you would expect of a fantasist like him)

How can anyone take this kind of stuff seriously? I can help smiling when I hear people saying that they don’t believe the Warren Commission and they don’t believe the pathologists and they don’t believe all of the other experts used in the case and yet they’ll hear an obvious fantasist like White (and Beverly Oliver for that matter) and immediately and uncritically give him the seal of approval!

Your also entitled to your opinion Herlock , but there is more than enough evidence to show Rosco White was involved in the JFK and Tippit killings .

But id only be wasting peoples time if were to copy and paste vast amounts of information that some want to compare to their own findings simply to claim this is true and yours [ i.e mine] is a lie . Sorry but ive been down that road befor and it goes nowhere .

[Herlock Sholmes]

Your also entitled to your opinion Herlock , but there is more than enough evidence to show Rosco White was involved in the JFK and Tippit killings .

But id only be wasting peoples time if were to copy and paste vast amounts of information that some want to compare to their own findings simply to claim this is true and yours [ i.e mine] is a lie . Sorry but ive been down that road befor and it goes nowhere .

My apologies for referring to evidence.

[FISHY1118]

My apologies for referring to evidence.

Not at all, i and others have done that right through out this topic .It doesnt seem to matter .

[FISHY1118]

You're fully entitled to your opinion of course Fishy but it would be good if you could provide some documentary evidence for that please. I can’t find any and I’ve looked.

Roger Shepard
Former Lt. Col at U.S. Army (1975–2005)

Johnson was one of many Congressional members and later Congressional/National political leaders who learned firsthand who Hoover was and his needs and interests.

Their bond was of respect for power in each other’s sphere of influence. Kennedy’s presidential biographer credits ''Hoover’s influence and insistence in selecting Lyndon 'Johnson as John Kennedy’s Vice Presidential running mate in 1960''. Johnson knew this and relied upon Hoover’s power to force Robert Kennedy to accept and advise his brother to ask Johnson to be the running mate.

When Kennedy became President, and Robert Kennedy became Attorney General, Robert had to steer clear of the FBI Director. Later after he had succeeded Kennedy to become President, Lyndon Johnson proposed to Congress to pass a law that allowed Hoover to remain as director of the FBI for life.

[FISHY1118]

Nurse Audrey Bell - yet another dodgy pro-conspiracy ‘witness.’

It’s always good to get a bit more detail on witnesses in the case. Nurse Audrey Bell was cited by Fishy as a witness that supported conspiracy, or perhaps its better put to say that she was ‘unfriendly’ to the official version. She was an the Operating Room Supervisor at Parkland Hospital. This is her summary of Kennedy’s wounds that she gave to the ARRB:

- She did not see the throat wound herself.

- Although only in Trauma Room One for 3-5 minutes, she did see the head wound. After asking Dr. Perry “where is the wound,” she said he turned the President’s head slightly to the President’s anatomical left, so that she could see a right rear posterior head wound, which she described as occipital in both her oral remarks, and her drawings.

- She said she could see brain and spinal fluid coming out of the wound, but could not tell what type of brain tissue it was.

- She said it was her recollection that the right side of the President’s head, and the top of his head, were in tact, which is why she had to ask Dr. Perry where the wound was in the first place.



In Oliver Stone’s Destiny Betrayed, Stone did a bit of creative ‘editing’ and changed the word ‘occipital’ to ‘parietal.’ Nice trick in a book and documentary riddled with dishonesty and misinformation as you’d expect from him. Bell also said that the hole in Kennedy’s head was 3-4 inches in diameter which wasn’t reflected in the diagram that she marked up to illustrate this. (But I guess we’ll give her diagram a free pass whilst nitpicking over Boswell’s?)

This is from researcher Pat Speer. Pat is a believer in conspiracy and so definitely not someone intent on maintaining any ‘official version.’ He questions whether Bell was even in the trauma room:

“Her claim Dr. Perry showed her the back of Kennedy's head—when no one else remembered Dr. Perry showing the wound to anyone, or her even being in the room—is as smelly as smelly can get … At the head of the gurney (on the far side of the room) stand Drs. Jenkins and McClelland. Along the sides of the gurney stand Drs. Perry, Baxter, Jones, Peters, Salyers, etc. There is no way a nurse would push past these men, go to the head of the gurney, and ask to be shown the head wound. No way … I don't believe Bell's story, and I'm embarrassed for you if you do.”

Furthermore we have this from Dr. Ron Jones:

“I hung up the phone and turned around and noticed a table. This was a fairly large cafeteria. And just a few feet away behind me sat Dr. M. T. Jenkins, who … [was] better known as “Pepper” Jenkins, and he was head of the department of anaesthesia, and Miss Audrey Bell, who was the operating room supervisor at Parkland. And so, people were beginning to look at me at that time from … employees in the cafeteria, knowing that something must be going on. I went over to that table, and I said, “You aren't going to believe this, but the president's been shot and they're bringing him to the emergency room.” And Dr. Jenkins said, “Well, I’ll get an anaesthesia machine from the operating room and bring it right down.” And Miss Bell said, “I’ll get an operating room ready.”

Remember, Kennedy was in Trauma Room One for no more than 20 minutes. So is it believable that Nurse Bell went to prepare an operating room, making sure that everything was in place and in order for the President, and then went to the Trauma Room and walked in and up to a Doctor who was trying to save Kennedy’s life and asked to see the wound? And that Doctor briefly stopped what he was doing to show her? No chance. She might have been in trauma room for a short time but her opinions on anything to do with Kennedy cannot and should not be taken seriously.

Dr Jenkins told Dennis Breo that he doubted “any of the Parkland physicians even had a good look at the President's head.” It doesn’t stop conspiracy theorists relying on them though does it? Par for the course.

“I was standing at the head of the table in at the position the anaesthesiologist most often assumes closest to the President's head. My presence there and the president's great shock of hair and the location of the head wound were such that it was not visible to those standing down each side of the gurney where they were carrying out their resuscitative manoeuvres.”

But this is the type of dodgy witness that those that favour conspiracy tend to rely on. I think we can safely relegate Nurse Bell to the subs bench alongside Ed Hoffman, Beverley Oliver, Perry Russo, Gordon Arnold, Charles Crenshaw, Ricky White, Rose Cherami, Roger Craig and many others.

I suggest people refer to Nurse Bells evidence regarding the magic bullet theory for any clarity regarding the JFK conspiracy. This can be found on this thread

[Herlock Sholmes]

Roger Shepard
Former Lt. Col at U.S. Army (1975–2005)

Johnson was one of many Congressional members and later Congressional/National political leaders who learned firsthand who Hoover was and his needs and interests.

Their bond was of respect for power in each other’s sphere of influence. Kennedy’s presidential biographer credits ''Hoover’s influence and insistence in selecting Lyndon 'Johnson as John Kennedy’s Vice Presidential running mate in 1960''. Johnson knew this and relied upon Hoover’s power to force Robert Kennedy to accept and advise his brother to ask Johnson to be the running mate.

When Kennedy became President, and Robert Kennedy became Attorney General, Robert had to steer clear of the FBI Director. Later after he had succeeded Kennedy to become President, Lyndon Johnson proposed to Congress to pass a law that allowed Hoover to remain as director of the FBI for life.

One mains claims. People often make exaggerate claims to what they know and what influence they had.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I suggest people refer to Nurse Bells evidence regarding the magic bullet theory for any clarity regarding the JFK conspiracy. This can be found on this thread

And ignore the evidence? The previous evidence was simply her own unverified claim. Her opinions have be shown to have been highly suspect and untrustworthy. Even a noted conspiracy theorist dismisses her claims.

[FISHY1118]

One mains claims. People often make exaggerate claims to what they know and what influence they had.

My apologies for providing evidence .

[Herlock Sholmes]

My apologies for providing evidence .

No need to apologise. You what you provided isn’t evidence.

[FISHY1118]

And ignore the evidence? The previous evidence was simply her own unverified claim. Her opinions have be shown to have been highly suspect and untrustworthy. Even a noted conspiracy theorist dismisses her claims.

Her evidence stands up ,no reason to think otherwise, she was there . Anyone can check it out for themselves on this thread ,as its been fully discussed already .

[FISHY1118]

No need to apologise. You what you provided isn’t evidence.

Yes it is.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Her evidence stands up ,no reason to think otherwise, she was there . Anyone can check it out for themselves on this thread ,as its been fully discussed already .

And you ignore the evidence of others who were there. Despite taking no actual part in the work done she claims to have asked the doctors to show her the head wound whilst they were trying to save Kennedy’s life. Nurse Bell is a proven liar who simply cannot be trusted. We can add him to the huge list of staggeringly untrustworthy pro-conspiracy witnesses.