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  • Wade did not say that the rifle was a Mauser

    (Fiver)



    It's a Mauser, I believe

    (District Attorney Henry Wade)​

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    • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

      You have repeatedly ignored facts and misrepresented evidence.

      Brennan got the shirt color wrong, but you act as if Oswald was identified by the color of his shirt.

      And you deliberately, repeatedly ignore the evidence of Brennan's description of Oswald.

      Oswald was 5'9, slender build, 24 years old.

      "He was a white man in his early 30’s, slender, nice looking, slender and would weight about 165 to 175 pounds. He had on light colored clothing but definitely not a suit." - Howard Brennan

      Readers may find it strange that having got the colour of Oswald's shirt wrong and his age wrong, and overestimated his weight by nearly three stone, Brennan's description of the man as 'nice looking, slender' points to Oswald.

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      • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
        If not, then its remarkable he wouldnt have fired the first shot when the Presidential Limousine first straighten up onto Houston st .I make it around 60 to 65 metere in a clear straight line of fire with nowhere for the limo to maneuver.
        Firing at JFK from the front would have been a great way to let every person in the motorcade see him firing at JFK. Which means instead of spending time figuring out where the shots were coming from, the Secret Service would know and be able to take more effective actions, including returning fire on the assassin,

        Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
        Also the turn into Elm st on that corner at a very low speed at the closest point to the TSBD would have made for an easy kill even for a poor marksman .
        That would require leaning out he window, which would give the assassin's position away to everyone behind the Presidential limo in the motorcade. It would also mean the assassin giving up a braced position, which would greatly reduce accuracy.


        "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

        "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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        • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
          Wade never said "Darryl Click". A reporter asked "Where?" and Wade replied "In Oak Cliff."

          (Fiver)


          He then — the bus, he asked the bus driver to stop, got off at a stop, caught a taxicab driver, Darryl Click — I don’t have his exact place — and went to his home in Oak Cliff, changed his clothes hurriedly, and left

          (District Attorney Henry Wade)
          Wade never said "Darryl Click". A reporter asked "Where?" and Wade replied "In Oak Cliff. I don't have the exact place."

          Which is easy to tell if you actually watch and listen to the interview that I already linked.
          "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

          "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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          • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
            Wade did not say that the rifle was a Mauser

            (Fiver)



            It's a Mauser, I believe

            (District Attorney Henry Wade)​
            * Wade did not say that the rifle was a Mauser. He referred to it as "a used gun of Italian make".

            Which you would know if you actually watched and listened to the the Wade interview.

            There's also Wade's testimony under oath.

            Mr. RANKIN. In any of these press conferences that you have described did you ever say anything about the type of rifle that was thought to be involved in the killing of the President?
            Mr. WADE. I think that was one of the inaccuracies that Sunday night on the thing.
            Mr. RANKIN. What did you say about it?
            Mr. WADE. I think I said I thought it was a Mauser or I thought--was one of those things I didn't know what it was. It was an Italian gun, I think and I really thought I was giving them Italian but Mauser is a German gun, isn't it?
            But I think you have that--it was a situation, I don't contend I was right on that because it was a situation somebody asked me that and that is what I thought I was telling them and I never--all my information came from the police and actually somebody said originally it was a Mauser but it turned out it was not.
            Mr. RANKIN. You learned it was not.
            Mr. WADE. Oh, yes; there was no question, I am not contending whatever I said was so on that because I got it all secondhand from someone else.
            Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn that the Mauser-type rifle was similar in the type of action to the gun that was involved. Did that ever come to your attention?
            Mr. WADE. I think someone told me that but I am not an expert on guns. I don't believe I ever saw this gun except from a distance. I think that Saturday night--Friday night, the 22d when they were taking it to Washington, I saw somebody take it through homicide and give it to the FBI. and from a distance, I never did examine it.​
            "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

            "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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            • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

              Firing at JFK from the front would have been a great way to let every person in the motorcade see him firing at JFK. Which means instead of spending time figuring out where the shots were coming from, the Secret Service would know and be able to take more effective actions, including returning fire on the assassin,



              That would require leaning out he window, which would give the assassin's position away to everyone behind the Presidential limo in the motorcade. It would also mean the assassin giving up a braced position, which would greatly reduce accuracy.

              Do you think the assassin would be thinking that or would his main goal be to have his best option to kill a president ?

              For me the latter is my preferred choice.


              The shooters position could have been easy adjusted to make the shot on the corner without exposing himself any more than was required. Imo .
              'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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              • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
                I didn't say that everything Frazier said must be true, but if he saw Oswald carrying a package and it fitted in between his chin and cup of hand, there is no room for error.

                I have not yet been able to find his description of Oswald's hair colour in his testimony, but you quote him as mentioning three colours - blond, brown and red.

                That doesn't seem like the blond hair described by the three Mexico City witnesses.

                And they aged him ten years and knocked about four inches off his height.
                Silvia Duran described him as "blonde, short, dressed unelegantly and whose face turned red when angry." and also as "five feet six, with blonde hair, weighing about 125 pounds, and with very little hair". She identified a picture of Oswald as the man she saw.

                Eusebio Acue Lopez described him as "a white male, between 5'6" and 5'7", over 30 years of age, very thin long face, with straight eyebrows and a cold look in his eyes". He did not think that Oswald was the man he saw.

                Alfredo Mirabel Diaz did not provide a description, but identified a picture of Oswald as the man he saw.

                Buell Frazier, one of the people who knew him best, described Oswald as blonde. We know that wasn't an imposter. Which suggests Oswald had a lighter brown hair, or at least a hair that could look lighter in certain lighting.

                LIkewise, Oswald's receding hairline could easily explain witnesses who overestimated his age.

                The Mexican witnesses knock 2 to 3 inches off of his height. They weren't measuring him with a tape measure, so this is more easily explained by inaccurate estimates than an imposter.

                The note about his face turned red when angry meshes well with Julia Postal, who saw Oswald at the theater, describing his complexion ad ruddy.

                The questions for anyone thinking that the Mexico Oswald was an imposter are:

                Why would the Conspiracy do this? The government hadn't even decided what cities JFK would be visiting, let alone the routes. Oswald hadn't applied anywhere in Dallas yet.

                Why is there no evidence of Oswald being anywhere else at the time?

                Why would a Conspiracy pedaling a single gunman theory forge evidence that Oswald had contacted both the Cuban and Soviet embassies? Why would they undermine their own theory that way?





                "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                  * Wade did not say that the rifle was a Mauser. He referred to it as "a used gun of Italian make".




                  Q. What's the make of the rifle, sir?


                  Wade. It's a Mauser, I believe.


                  (Warren Commission Volume 14, Exhibit 2169, page 4)

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                  • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
                    Wade did not say that the rifle was a Mauser

                    (Fiver)



                    It's a Mauser, I believe

                    (District Attorney Henry Wade)​


                    Q. What's the make of the rifle, sir?


                    Wade. It's a Mauser, I believe.


                    (Warren Commission Volume 14, Exhibit 2169, page 4)​

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                    • ‘’* Wade never mentioned a map.’’ {Fiver}

                      Except he did.

                      "Today Mr. Wade announced that authorities had also found a marked map, showing the course of the President's motorcade, in Oswald's rented room. 'It was a map tracing the location of the parade route,' the district attorney said, 'and this place [the Texas School Book Depository, a warehouse from which the fatal shots were fired] was marked with a straight line.' Mr. Wade said Oswald had marked the map at two other place, 'apparently places which he considered a possibility for an assassination.'" (New York Times, Nov. 25.) {1963}

                      This heap of nonsense was quickly dropped but it is of a kind with the rest of Wade’s statements. Wade boasted that he had sent men to the electric chair on less evidence than he had against Oswald. It would be reassuring if this claim was a piece of self-important bombast typical of Wade, but the chilling possibility remains that on this occasion he was actually speaking the truth.

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                      • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                        Silvia Duran described him as "blonde, short, dressed unelegantly and whose face turned red when angry." and also as "five feet six, with blonde hair, weighing about 125 pounds, and with very little hair". She identified a picture of Oswald as the man she saw.

                        Eusebio Acue Lopez described him as "a white male, between 5'6" and 5'7", over 30 years of age, very thin long face, with straight eyebrows and a cold look in his eyes". He did not think that Oswald was the man he saw.

                        Alfredo Mirabel Diaz did not provide a description, but identified a picture of Oswald as the man he saw.


                        As I have pointed out before, the HSCA noted that the witness descriptions of Oswald were nothing like him.

                        Duran said later that she was sure the man was not Oswald.

                        Lopez testified that the man could not be Oswald.

                        Diaz said that he did not pay the man much attention.

                        I do not see how, after quoting Lopez's description of the man he saw, you can continue to claim that he was Oswald.

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                        • Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post



                          Q. What's the make of the rifle, sir?


                          Wade. It's a Mauser, I believe.


                          (Warren Commission Volume 14, Exhibit 2169, page 4)
                          Wade did say that in an earlier interview. He corrected himself in the interview given after Oswald's murder.

                          Which you would know if you actually watched and listened to the the Wade interview.

                          There's also Wade's testimony under oath.

                          Mr. RANKIN. In any of these press conferences that you have described did you ever say anything about the type of rifle that was thought to be involved in the killing of the President?
                          Mr. WADE. I think that was one of the inaccuracies that Sunday night on the thing.
                          Mr. RANKIN. What did you say about it?
                          Mr. WADE. I think I said I thought it was a Mauser or I thought--was one of those things I didn't know what it was. It was an Italian gun, I think and I really thought I was giving them Italian but Mauser is a German gun, isn't it?
                          But I think you have that--it was a situation, I don't contend I was right on that because it was a situation somebody asked me that and that is what I thought I was telling them and I never--all my information came from the police and actually somebody said originally it was a Mauser but it turned out it was not.
                          Mr. RANKIN. You learned it was not.
                          Mr. WADE. Oh, yes; there was no question, I am not contending whatever I said was so on that because I got it all secondhand from someone else.
                          Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn that the Mauser-type rifle was similar in the type of action to the gun that was involved. Did that ever come to your attention?
                          Mr. WADE. I think someone told me that but I am not an expert on guns. I don't believe I ever saw this gun except from a distance. I think that Saturday night--Friday night, the 22d when they were taking it to Washington, I saw somebody take it through homicide and give it to the FBI. and from a distance, I never did examine it.​​
                          "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                          "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                          • Originally posted by Fiver View Post

                            Wade did say that in an earlier interview. He corrected himself in the interview given after Oswald's murder.

                            Which you would know if you actually watched and listened to the the Wade interview.

                            There's also Wade's testimony under oath.


                            I don't need actually to do something I have already done!

                            Wade would not identify the policeman or policemen who had reported the rifle to be a Mauser.

                            Commission Counsel obligingly failed to ask him to identify them.

                            Weitzman obviously gave false testimony after having been instructed to change his story.

                            He testified that, based on merely glancing at the rifle, he had guessed it to be a Mauser, but that he had been wrong.

                            Having stated on the day of the assassination that the rifle WAS a Mauser, identifying the precise calibre of the rifle as well as the specification of its scope, and even describing its sling, he obviously had not merely glanced at the rifle.

                            Both the questioning and answering were tailored to make it look as though there was no credible evidence that the rifle found had been a Mauser.

                            The best evidence - that given on the day of the assassination and broadcast by several television and radio stations - is that the rifle found was a Mauser.



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                            • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
                              Do you think the assassin would be thinking that or would his main goal be to have his best option to kill a president ?

                              For me the latter is my preferred choice.


                              The shooters position could have been easy adjusted to make the shot on the corner without exposing himself any more than was required. Imo .
                              My statement is based on the idea the the assassin's main goal was to improve his chances of killing JFK. Which is why firing on JFK while he was approaching the Book Depository would be a bad idea.

                              Firing at JFK from the front would have been a great way to let every person in the motorcade see the assassin firing at JFK. Which means instead of spending time figuring out where the shots were coming from, the Secret Service would know and be able to take more effective actions, including returning fire on the assassin,

                              Firing while the limo was turning onto Elm would require leaning out the window, which would give the assassin's position away to everyone behind the Presidential limo in the motorcade. It would also mean the assassin giving up a braced position, which would greatly reduce accuracy.​

                              Adjusting the shooter's position would not change any of this.
                              "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                              "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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                              • Originally posted by cobalt View Post
                                [SIZE=16px]‘’* Wade never mentioned a map.’’ {Fiver}

                                Except he did.

                                "Today Mr. Wade announced that authorities had also found a marked map, showing the course of the President's motorcade, in Oswald's rented room. 'It was a map tracing the location of the parade route,' the district attorney said, 'and this place [the Texas School Book Depository, a warehouse from which the fatal shots were fired] was marked with a straight line.' Mr. Wade said Oswald had marked the map at two other place, 'apparently places which he considered a possibility for an assassination.'" (New York Times, Nov. 25.) {1963}
                                I had thought you were referring to the Wade interview of the 24th.

                                The map mentioned on the 25th, if it truly did show a trace of the parade route, would be another point against Oswald. Was the map ever entered into evidence?

                                Originally posted by cobalt View Post
                                This heap of nonsense was quickly dropped but it is of a kind with the rest of Wade’s statements. Wade boasted that he had sent men to the electric chair on less evidence than he had against Oswald. It would be reassuring if this claim was a piece of self-important bombast typical of Wade, but the chilling possibility remains that on this occasion he was actually speaking the truth.
                                There was plenty of evidence against Oswald.

                                * The Caracano was Oswald's. We have his handwriting on the order form. We have photographs of Oswald with the Carcano that were taken by his wife using Oswald's camera. One photo had a note in Owald's handwriting on the back. Fibers from his shirt match those found on the rifle.
                                * Oswald's prints were on boxes at the sniper's nest, the paper bag, and the rifle itself.
                                * Fibers from the blanket that Oswald kept his Carcano in matched fibers found in the paper bag.
                                * Oswald's Carcano was the weapon used to kill JFK. The shell casings match the Carcano. The bullets and bullet fragments match the Carcano.

                                All of this forensic evidence was confirmed by police forensic experts and the FBI forensic experts.

                                * An eyewitness, Howard Brennan, saw a white man of Oswald's approximate weight and build firing from the snipers nest. When he saw a police lineup, Brennan said that Oswald looked like the man he saw, but could not positively identify him.
                                * Several other eyewitnesses saw a man in the snipers nest or a rifle extending from it, but none provided as good of a description.

                                * Oswald had no alibi. He claimed to have been in the domino room, but several of his coworkers testified to being in the domino room during that time and said that Oswald was not there.

                                Oswald's behavior was not that of an innocent man.
                                * When confronted by a police officer with a drawn gun on the second floor, he showed no curiousity as to why the police officer did that.
                                * He is the only Book Depository employee who left the building after the shooting.
                                * He had a taxi driver drop him several blocks from his house.
                                * When apprehended in the theater, Oswald tried to shoot the police with his pistol.
                                * In custody he lied repeatedly.

                                The case against Oswald in the killing of Officer Tippett is even stronger.
                                * Tippet asked the police dispatcher to repeat the description of JFK's killer just before he pulled over the man who killed him.
                                * Multiple witnesses who saw the killing of Officer Tippet or the killer fleeing the scene picked Oswald out of a police lineup.
                                * The discarded cartridge casings came from Oswald's pistol. They were a mix of two different brands of bullets.
                                * The bullets in Tippet's body came from Oswald's pistol. They were a mix of the same two brands of bullets.
                                * The jacket discarded by the killer was identified by Marina Oswald as belonging to her husband.
                                * When apprehended at the theater, Oswald tried to shoot one of the arresting officers.
                                * The bullets found in Oswald's pistol and his pocket were the same two brands of shells.

                                The case against Oswald against trying to murder General Walker is the weakest.
                                * Marina Oswald testified that her husband tried to kill the general.
                                * On the night that Walker was shot at, Oswald left his wife a note on what to do if he was "alive and taken prisoner".
                                * The bullet was too badly damaged to get a ballistics match, but it was determined to be​
                                "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

                                "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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