JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

I see you've copied and pasted points you made some time ago and which I comprehensively refuted.

I will just mention that:

Duran and Lopez were quite clear that the man who claimed to be Oswald was nothing like him physically and this fact was noted by the HSCA, whose opinion I quoted when I refuted your statements.

The third witness who you claimed identified Oswald did nothing of the kind, stating that he did not pay much attention to him.

I also posted memos from agencies noting that Oswald could not have been the man in question because of the man's evident difficulty with the Russian language.

You repeat your claim that Oswald was sent to a photo shop to get his passport photo, but you don't mention the evidence that the man went through the motions of going to a photo shop and then came back to the consulate with an old photograph of the real Oswald.

Again you mention a letter purportedly written by Oswald about his supposed visit to the consulate, but not the evidence that it was a fake.

And in order to sustain your case that the man in Mexico City was Oswald, you claim that all three witnesses who said the man was blond were wrong!

How much more evidence is required to prove that Oswald was impersonated in Mexico City?

Proper evidence. The problem with you’re ‘refutation’ post is that it came from you and we all know that you haven’t a clue about anything. You selectively quote, you invent, you manipulate and and you have the reasoning skills of a badger. Oswald was in Mexico. It’s overwhelmingly proven. If you don’t want to accept it that fine. Your a fantasist, I expect no more.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Answer this one simple question:

if the man in Mexico City was really Oswald, why did he suddenly lose his ability to speak Russian?

And why did he 'go' to photo shops to get his passport photo, but return to the consulate with an old photo of Oswald?

And why did he appear to be about ten years older than he appeared to be in Dallas and several inches shorter too?

Ask anyone else here - since you're so keen on the idea of asking me to find someone who agrees with me - what they consider more likely: that three witnesses in Mexico City mistakenly thought that Oswald was blond, mistakenly thought he was ten years older than he was, and mistakenly thought he was several inches shorter than he was - or that someone was impersonating him?

Take your time.

It could take you a few years to find someone who agrees with you.

True to form….I ask a simple question and you slime your way out of it by asking another question.

AN IMPERSONATORS FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT ATTRIBUTE IS THAT HE OR SHE MUST LOOK LIKE THE SUBJECT…….IF YOU CAN’T EXCEPT THIS THEN JUST STOP TYPING. ITS BEYOND PATHETIC THAT AN ADULT CANT GRASP THIS POINT. SO IF THE PERSON IN QUESTION DIDNT LOOK LIKE OSWALD THEN HE CATEGORICALLY WASNT ATTEMPTING TO IMPERSONATE HIM.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Mexico City on here is constantly used on here as a distraction tactic so that those without answers can avoid questions.

[Herlock Sholmes]

So random rumors with no evidence that such a file existed?

Even JFK had compromising information on Hoover, publicizing JFK's behavior would have been a cheaper, easier, and safer method of destroying JFK. It would also have zero risk of being executed for murder and treason.

This was true for J Edgar Hoover and even more true for the billions of people who weren't J Edgar Hoover.

He’s just making things up Fiver. What else should we expect?

[Fiver]

Interesting fact (in my opinion)

Researcher David Perry compiled a list of everyone who had either been proposed as an assassin (or co-assassin) or who have confessed to being the assassin or one of the assassins.

There are 68 names.

Was anyone in Dealey Plaza that day not an assassin.

Perry's list is incomplete.

Joe DiMaggio has been proposed as JFK's killer, with his ex-wife Marilyn Monroe (a mistress of JFK) being the motive.

Jacqueline Kennedy has been proposed as JFK's killer, probably for the same motive.

Then there's Jim Garrison's list of people in on a supposed coverup. In addition to the traditional alphabet soup of government and non=government organizations, he also accused Ronald Reagan and Robert Kennedy of being part of a coverup.

[Fiver]

Nonsense, Oswald didn't shoot Tippit.

Helen Markham picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Domingo Benavides told police wasn't sure if he could ID Tippet's killer.
Johnny C. Brewer identified Oswald at the theater.
Ted Callaway picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Barbara J. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Virginia R. Davis picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Sam Guinyard picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
Warren Reynolds identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph. (Oswald was dead by the time police contacted him.)
William W. Scoggins picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a lineup.
William Arthur Smith identified Lee Harvey Oswald from a photograph.

Tippett was killed with the gun that Oswald was carrying at the theater. Oswald tried to kill Officer McDonald with the same gun while resisting arrest. Oswald was carrying two different brands of bullets. The shell casings dropped by Tippet's killer and the bullets found in Tippet's body were those two brands of bullets.

[Aethelwulf]

you manipulate and and you have the reasoning skills of a badger.

That's decidedly unfair on badgers.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

So random rumors with no evidence that such a file existed?

Even JFK had compromising information on Hoover, publicizing JFK's behavior would have been a cheaper, easier, and safer method of destroying JFK. It would also have zero risk of being executed for murder and treason.

This was true for J Edgar Hoover and even more true for the billions of people who weren't J Edgar Hoover.

It is well-known that there was plenty of scandal surrounding both LBJ and Hoover.

Please don't suggest that a man in JFK's position was successfully kept in the dark about all of it.

Bringing JFK down by means of a scandal would have left him free to expose somehow whatever he knew.

That could have brought down both LBJ and Hoover.

[Fiver]

(3) is not credible because the man who shot Tippit was not in any imminent danger of being arrested.

Not only did Tippit not draw his gun but, according to witnesses, he never made the slightest movement to suggest he was contemplating drawing it.

Tippett got out of he car and started walking around it to the passenger side with his hand on the butt of his gun.

Whatever interest Tippit had in approaching the man, it had nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination.

Just before approaching the man. Officer Tippett called dispatch to get a repeat of the description of JFK's killer.

And we know Tippit had other things on his mind that morning and lunchtime.

Is this where you insert some conspiracy related character assassination of Officer Tippett?

Tippett was just a regular guy living his life and doing his job - returning a borrowed book, planning to attend a football game, finding out his son was home sick from school.

There are 3 possibilities about his killing.

1) The Conspiracy killed Tippett. They have no motive for doing so.

2) A random person killed Tippett and the Conspiracy framed Oswald. The Conspiracy has no motive for doing so.

3) Oswald killed Tippett, probably to avoid arrest.

[rjpalmer]

A CIA manual from the 1950s stated that: "Public figures or guarded officials may be killed with great reliability and some safety if a firing point can be established prior to an official occasion. The propaganda value of this system may be high. That advice was not intended for domestic use obviously.

Hi Cobalt. I have my own ideas, but what do you think the manual means by "The propaganda value of this system may be high."?

That a public assassination would have a more demoralizing effect on the targeted nation, or something else?

Cheers.

[cobalt]

The Mexico City ‘distraction’ was introduced by J. Edgar Hoover, the man responsible for investigating the events surrounding the murder of JFK to the Warren Commission.

The case for Oswald shooting Tippit is well known for its weaknesses in relation to timing and ballistics. The ID evidence is stronger if you accept DPD line ups and witnesses whose memories are sharpened up by a couple of shootings. But rather like the murder of JFK it is not easy to see a motive here either. Why Tippit drew up alongside Oswald will forever remain a mystery unless you accept Brennan’s description as being so spot on that it matched Oswald to a tee. That would still leave open the question of why Tippit, about to make the arrest of his or any other police career, seemed so casual in his approach when confronting a suspected presidential killer. Tippit was hardly on red alert- he’d been detailed to patrol the outlying area as cover. It’s as likely Tippit remembered Oswald as the mouthy character from the café where- in another coincidence- they had eaten two days earlier and didn’t like the cut of his jib.

Oswald was being asked something obviously, perhaps to account for his movements, but had no reason to panic. He had not been posted missing at the TSBD at this point and the rifle lay undiscovered. Of course he was not to know this but he had his fake Alex Hiddel ID to show to any inquisitive cop. Perhaps carrying a revolver was a problem for Oswald but I doubt that was ever a crime in Dallas. Besides, as a person who had operated as a fake defector into the USSR Oswald could surely have bluffed some reason for carrying the weapon- a weapon which no one suspected was connected to the assassination.
Tippit’s reasons for leaving the car remain unknown but they cost him his life. If he was going to search Oswald and take him into custody for some minor felony then that might have sparked Oswald’s response. (I am assuming Oswald’s guilt here.) But if Oswald had not been stopped by Tippit where on earth was he headed?

[Herlock Sholmes]

The Mexico City ‘distraction’ was introduced by J. Edgar Hoover, the man responsible for investigating the events surrounding the murder of JFK to the Warren Commission.

The case for Oswald shooting Tippit is well known for its weaknesses in relation to timing and ballistics. The ID evidence is stronger if you accept DPD line ups and witnesses whose memories are sharpened up by a couple of shootings. But rather like the murder of JFK it is not easy to see a motive here either. Why Tippit drew up alongside Oswald will forever remain a mystery unless you accept Brennan’s description as being so spot on that it matched Oswald to a tee. That would still leave open the question of why Tippit, about to make the arrest of his or any other police career, seemed so casual in his approach when confronting a suspected presidential killer. Tippit was hardly on red alert- he’d been detailed to patrol the outlying area as cover. It’s as likely Tippit remembered Oswald as the mouthy character from the café where- in another coincidence- they had eaten two days earlier and didn’t like the cut of his jib.

Oswald was being asked something obviously, perhaps to account for his movements, but had no reason to panic. He had not been posted missing at the TSBD at this point and the rifle lay undiscovered. Of course he was not to know this but he had his fake Alex Hiddel ID to show to any inquisitive cop. Perhaps carrying a revolver was a problem for Oswald but I doubt that was ever a crime in Dallas. Besides, as a person who had operated as a fake defector into the USSR Oswald could surely have bluffed some reason for carrying the weapon- a weapon which no one suspected was connected to the assassination.
Tippit’s reasons for leaving the car remain unknown but they cost him his life. If he was going to search Oswald and take him into custody for some minor felony then that might have sparked Oswald’s response. (I am assuming Oswald’s guilt here.) But if Oswald had not been stopped by Tippit where on earth was he headed?

The case for Oswald killing Tippet, like the case for him killing Kennedy, is cast-iron and unshakeable. As Fiver has shown, 9 people identified Oswald. Can you name a single case in the history of crime where a suspect is ID’d by 9 people and he wasn’t guilty? How close to impossible must the odds be for them all to have been mistaken or lying?

We know that the gun that killed Tippit was the same gun that Oswald was arrested with because the evidence proves it.

We know for a fact that Oswald came from his rooming house and we know for a fact where he was arrested and we know that the location of Tippit’s shooting was on the route between the two at just the time that Oswald would have been passing. How could this possibly have been a coincidence?

We know for an absolute fact that Oswald was seen behaving suspiciously by Johnnie Brewer and we know for an absolute fact that it was just after Tippit had been killed because he’d heard about it on the radio, and we know for a fact that Johnnie Brewer followed him and watched him duck into the Texas Theatre. And we have this categorically confirmed by Janet Postal who also saw Oswald duck into the Texas Theatre and we know that it was after Tippit had been killed because she’d also heard it on the radio. And they both said that police cars had been going passed with lights and sirens blaring.

And finally we just have to ask, why after the alleged conspirators had taken the enormous risk of setting up Oswald as Patsy as the assassin of the President they doubled that risk by setting him up for the murder of Tippit. Something that gained them nothing but increased the chances of their conspiracy being revealed.

Its staggering to listen to the lengths that conspiracy theorists will go to on Tippit. Oswald is just soooo guilty. It’s the most black and white case you could imagine. I honestly don’t know why they bother. They would have more credibility if they just employed the “Oswald killed him in panic because he thought that he’d been set up,” kind of approach. It would be nonsense of course but it’s more believable than trying to claim that the world’s most obviously guilty man was innocent.

[Fiver]

Most of your comments are based on the invalid assumption that someone else committed the assassination from the sixth floor of the TSBD and did all the things Oswald is alleged to have done there that day.

As I have pointed out before, the rifle could have been placed at the top of the stairs on a day prior to that of the assassination and remained there during the assassination.

The Conspiracy needs to do a lot more than that. They have to plant a rifle. And spent shell casings. And arrange the sniper's nest. And plant fiber and print evidence. All without being detected entering or leaving.

The Conspiracy then has to hope that none of this is detected or destroyed before the assassination on a floor that is being re-tiled. Even if none of the evidence is accidentally discovered or destroyed, someone just closing the window will destroy the plan.

The Conspiracy also has to guess how many bullets to plant, with no idea how many shots will be fired the following day.

The Conspiracy then has to ensure that no one else is on the sixth floor when the bullets are fired, but that people will see a man resembling Oswald in the sniper's nest. They have to ensure that Oswald has no alibi for the time of the shooting without him or anyone else noticing Oswlad being spied on.

And we haven't even gotten to the Grassy Knoll nonsense.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

BUELL WESLEY FRAZIER TESTIFIED THAT HE NEVER SAW OSWALD WEARING THE JACKET ALLEGEDLY WORN BY TIPPIT'S MURDERER



EVIDENCE OF BUELL WESLEY FRAZIER, WARREN COMMISSION VOL. 2, P 238


Mr. BALL. Commission Exhibit No. 162, which can be described for the record as a gray jacket with zipper, have you seen Lee Oswald wear this jacket?

Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I haven’t.




MRS CHARLIE VIRGINIA DAVIS TESTIFIED THAT THE MURDERER WORE A BROWN JACKET.

SHE DID NOT IDENTIFY THE JACKET OSWALD WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE WORN.



EVIDENCE OF MRS CHARLIE VIRGINIA DAVIS, WARREN COMMISSION VOL. 6, P 457


Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?

Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.




MRS HELEN MARKHAM TESTIFIED THAT THE MURDERER DID NOT WEAR THE JACKET THAT OSWALD WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE WORN AND THAT THE MURDERER WORE A DARKER JACKET.



EVIDENCE OF MRS HELEN MARKHAM, WARREN COMMISSION VOL. 3, P 312


Mr. BALL. I have here an exhibit, Commission Exhibit 162, a jacket. Did
you ever see this before?

Mrs. MARKHAM. No ; I did not.

Mr. BALL Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?

Mrs. MABKHAM. It is short, open down the front. But that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.

Mr. BALL. You don’t think it was as light a jacket as that?

Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was.




BARBARA JEANETTE DAVIS TESTIFIED THAT THE MURDERER WORE A DARK SPORT COAT



EVIDENCE OF BARBARA JEANETTE DAVIS, WARREN COMMISSION VOL. 3, P 347


Mr. BALL. I have a jacket, I would like to show you, which is Commission Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that was going across your lawn?

Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. How is it different?

Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it was dark and to me it looked like it was maybe a wool fabric, it looked sort of rough. Like more of a sporting jacket.




WILLIAM ARTHUR SMITH TESTIFIED THAT THE MURDERER WORE A SPORT COAT



EVIDENCE OF WILLIAM ARTHUR SMITH, WARREN COMMISSION VOL. 7, P 85

Mr. BALL. What kind of clothes did he have on when he shot the officer?

Mr. SMITH. He had on dark pants--just a minute. He had on dark pants and
a sport coat of some kind.




FOUR WITNESSES TESTIFIED THAT THE JACKET ALLEGEDLY WORN BY OSWALD WAS NOT WORN BY THE MURDERER AND A FIFTH WITNESS TESTIFIED THAT OSWALD NEVER WORE IT.

[Fiver]

It is easier to hit a stationary target than to hit a moving target.

And the target in this instance was very specific: someone's head.

But there was no stationary target. JFK was a moving target. Greer slowing down, which would have been impossible to coordinate with assassins outside the car, meant that instead of a moving target traveling at a constant speed, JFK was traveling at variable speeds, which made him harder to hit.