JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

But he didn't just happen to be working in a building which the President was passing, and just happen to have started working there five and a half weeks before.

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For Christ’s sake PI! Why don’t you read what’s being posted. Lee Harvey Oswald had no influence whatsoever in getting a job at the TSBD apart from turning up for an interview. So yes, absolutely 100% without a solitary shadow of a doubt he just happened to be working in that building along with numerous other people. His presence there cannot under any circumstances have been manipulate.

Try getting that through your skull before everyone ends up insane!

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

So yes, absolutely 100% without a solitary shadow of a doubt he just happened to be working in that building along with numerous other people.

Regular posters know how rarely I retaliate against any provocation, but that must be one of the most naive comments I have ever read about political assassination.

[Pcdunn]

This is a huge issue Pat. We all know from the ripper case how many errors occurred, how many conflicting testimonies, how many contested witness testimonies, how many disputed police actions, none of which point to a conspiracy. Compare that to the immensely more complicated assassination of JFK. We would probably have to multiply the above by a 1000. And the problem is that this is fertile ground for conspiracy. I’m afraid that many conspiracy theorists see every issue as having a sinister origin. Events have to be viewed in context of course but this doesn’t happen with some. As we know people don’t always react in textbook style when bullets are flying. An autopsy is hardly likely to be ‘normal’ when it wasn’t expected, it was of the President, and that there was naturally a large entourage of military, secret service etc all with things on their mind other than the actual autopsy. Even the pathologists talked about it. Boswell described it as a three-ringed circus. It was just the reality of the situation.

The story of the New England man is only vaguely familiar Pat.

Yes, something so incredibly public as Kennedy's assassination in an open car, that even had the back seat raised up for better visibility of the President, no bubble top due to the nice weather, and Secret Service agents requested by the President not to ride on the car-- plus hundreds of witnesses in the crowd-- it just *was* a circus.

There are a couple of documentaries about the earlier attempt; I just saw "Kenndy's Suicide Bomber" on the Smithsonian Channel.

Palvich(?) was a 70 year old man in 1960 who was incensed at Kennedy's victory over Nixon. He lived alone in the small town of Belmont, New Hampshire, where he was known as a grouchy and opinionated man. One of his best acquaintances was the local postmaster, Tom Murphy, who knew of Palvich's anti-Kennedy sentiments.

Palvich had worked with explosives in World War I, and decided that to save the country from Kennedy's connection to the Catholic Church, he needed to assainate the President-Elect. He rigged his old Buick with dynamite and napalm, and set off to follow Kennedy's victory tour. At every pit stop, he bought a postcard to send back to Murphy, with comments such as "You probably won't see me again, but the world will hear of me soon." Murphy eventually reported his friend to the authorities, and an FBI agent went after Palvich

In December, 1960, Palvich caught up with Kennedy in Palm Beach, Florida. He pulled up outside the house where the Kennedys were staying, and was about to set off his bomb car but saw Jackie and Caroline near JFK, and changed his mind about hurting innocents.
He tried again later on a Sunday, near the Catholic church they were attending, but arrived after Kennedy was already inside. He tried going into the church to get closer, but a security man directed him to the rear seats, and Palvich left.

The FBI tracked him to his hotel, took custody of him, and found Palvich's handwritten last will and testament, as well as a manifesto of his intentions to kill Kennedy. Palvich confessed proudly. He was quietly judged and sent off to a mental hospital.

Kennedy requested little press coverage, to prevent copy-cat plots, which is why few people today know of this case. Palvich died in 1970.

The documentary included a demo of the car bomb to see if Palvich could have succeeded in his plan. Because of the car's structure and heavy engine shielding, it blew the car apart (and the dummy inside it), but the standing dummies were untouched, except by the ripple wave that might have affected human bodies later.

[Herlock Sholmes]

And he didn't just happen to have been an ostensible traitor to America and then just happen to be able to come back home and be allowed to murder the President.

I think you’ll find that many defectors return home. It happens. Why not listen to the people actually involved?

Virginia James was an official in the Department of State:

SOV (the Oofice of Soviet Affairs, Department of State) believes it is in the interest of the U.S. to get Lee Harvey Oswald and his family out of the Soviet Union and on their way to this country soon. An unstable character, whose actions are entirely unpredictable, Oswald may well refuse to leave the USSR or subsequently attempt to return there if we should make it impossible for him to be accompanied from Moscow by his wife and child.”

So they appear to have thought that Oswald would have been less trouble back in the U.S. than over there. Similar thinking was apparent from the Russians after Oswald staged a suicide attempt. Former KGB man Vladimir Semichastny told Frontline:

”If he is begging, to hell with him. Let him stay here in order to avoid an international scandal on account of such a nobody. We were not convinced this would be his last act of blackmail. We expected he would try again, which would be difficult to deal with in Moscow, so we decided to send him to Minsk.”

Conspiracy theorists see Oswald as some kind of dangerous super spy when nothing could have been further from the truth. He was an irritant. A nobody.

The HSCA did what they termed ‘A Defector Study.’ They compared Oswald to eleven men who had defected to the Soviet Union between 1958 and 1964, who were roughly comparable to Oswald and who they had good information on. Pretty much all of them had family or mental health issues. And the majority asked to return to the USA.

Richard Snyder, who was US counsel when Oswald was applying to return said:

“Twenty months of the realities of life in the Soviet Union have clearly had a maturing effect on Oswald. He stated frankly that he learned a hard lesson the hard way and that he had been completely relieved about his illusions about the Soviet Union…..Much of the arrogance and bravado which characterised him on his first visit to the Embassy appears to have left him.”

Oswald was clearly troubled. But in the USA they could keep and eye on him. Lee Harvey Oswald was an insignificant nobody. He had no secrets that the Russians wanted and the Russians certainly let him nowhere near any secrets.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Oswald was clearly troubled. But in the USA they could keep and eye on him.

They certainly did.

And they impersonated him in both the USA and Mexico, with people claiming to be and/or posing as Oswald driving cars, shooting bull's eyes at shooting ranges, saying he would be coming into money the day after the assassination, or demanding a visa for Cuba while declaring undying devotion to the Cuban revolution in blond hair - and somehow managing to shrink himself by several inches and age himself by ten years at the same time.

And then the authorities kept such a close eye on him that they somehow did not notice that the Presidential motorcade would be passing by the building where he worked and YET the local police had his description ready to radio to local police and could never explain where they got it from.

[Herlock Sholmes]

They certainly did.

And they impersonated him in both the USA and Mexico, with people claiming to be and/or posing as Oswald driving cars, shooting bull's eyes at shooting ranges, saying he would be coming into money the day after the assassination, or demanding a visa for Cuba while declaring undying devotion to the Cuban revolution in blond hair - and somehow managing to shrink himself by several inches and age himself by ten years at the same time.

If someone says “I saw PI today on the High Street.”

And someone says “You couldn’t have seen him because he was with me all day.”

Should the reaction to that be….

a) he must have been mistaken.

b) someone must have been impersonating him.

I know what earthlings would say.

And then the authorities kept such a close eye on him that they somehow did not notice that the Presidential motorcade would be passing by the building where he worked and YET the local police had his description ready to radio to local police and could never explain where they got it from.

Unbelievable.

They had his description because…

a) Howard Brennan had seen him in the window.

b) Marion Baker had seen him and Roy Truly knew him.

No mystery.

[Fiver]

EVIDENCE OF BUELL WESLEY FRAZIER, WARREN COMMISSION VOL. 2, P 238

Mr. BALL. I have here Commission’s 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize
this jacket?

Here's CE-163.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305141?objectPage=2

Commission Exhibit 163 is not the jacket found along the route fleeing Tippett's murder. The jacket found behind the garage was Commission Exhibit 162 - 'a gray jacket with a zipper.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Here's CE-163.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305141?objectPage=2

Commission Exhibit 163 is not the jacket found along the route fleeing Tippett's murder. The jacket found behind the garage was Commission Exhibit 162 - 'a gray jacket with a zipper.

I agree.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Unbelievable.

They had his description because…

a) Howard Brennan had seen him in the window.

b) Marion Baker had seen him and Roy Truly knew him.

No mystery.

Howard Brennan did not see Oswald.

The Dallas Police could not explain where they got his description - the one that was radioed to local police.

You need to do your homework before you post.

[GBinOz]

Nothing speaks louder than the lack of proper responses and answers from you (and Fishy and Cobalt and PI) You’ve even gone to the length of manufacturing a bit of fake outrage to give yourself an excuse for ducking questions.

Honestly George…..you really should take a long hard look at your actions on this thread.

I have been waiting for you to respond to the questions raised by Frank and Caz (#1804, #1806) on your "Pullman car behind the picket fence" theory, and wondering if you would use in your reply to them the same vituperation that you employed with my comments. But you have chosen to skulk in the shadows without even the integrity to acknowledge ownership of your preposterous theory.

[GBinOz]

Howard Brennan did not see Oswald.

The Dallas Police could not explain where they got his description - the one that was radioed to local police.

You need to do your homework before you post.

Is that the same Howard Brennan that said he saw someone shooting from a standing position through a window that could only be opened up to waist level, and that said he saw the fatal head shot fired, and then turned to see the bullet strike Kennedy's head? Sir HS comes up with some fantasist witnesses.

[FISHY1118]

Please provide examples.

Go back, you'll find it im not going to waste my time providing you with it again.

[FISHY1118]

Yes I see a pattern. That you are utterly incapable of producing a thought of your own. You just listen to what George tells you….you like what you hear….and so assume it’s true.

The evidence that Oswald killed Tippit is simply overwhelming. People have been imprisoned or worse on a quarter of the evidence. Try looking at evidence objectively.

Yer you tried the overwhelmingly garbage on the Richardson thread ,...

It didn't work for you there either.

[FISHY1118]

Unmitigated crap!

Experts trump you, George and PI. And experts tell us that the x-rays cannot have been faked. They didn’t even have the technology to do it. Get real.

How many of them same experts saw Kennedy's brains blown out on the day .

Get real.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Howard Brennan did not see Oswald.

The Dallas Police could not explain where they got his description - the one that was radioed to local police.

You need to do your homework before you post.

Howard Brennan saw someone in the 6th floor window. You don’t think that was Oswald…fine…but they had a description to go on. They also had a description from Baker and Truly.

You’re a conspiracy theorist and so naturally you see this totally insignificant detail as significant.