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I'd be grateful of any advice anyone can offer me on this case...
You will see it suggests that O'Connell & Sullivan were charged on the Coroner's Inquistion with the manslaughter of Forbes (O'connell it appears was separately indicted for the same offence). Yet I can find no record of this on the Old Bailey site (and thus assume that the evidence was just duplicated?)
The punishment being 8 years penal servitude, following both the defendants attacking the aggrieved in separate incidents.
I assume this to mean that both were sentenced to 8 years tariff?
If you read the whole case, O'Connell's version of events is recorded but not Sullivan's?
Sullivan is arrested the same day (27th May) by PC Endicott and gets a months imprisonment, the next day following being put before the Thames Court and would have been in prison when Forbes died (Forbes died 2 weeks later, whilst Sullivan is in prison).
On the 16th June there's the coroners court hearing. Whereby O'Connell is arrrsted by Insp Hancock. Sullivan is still serving her months sentence (and I assume would have been remanded at the conclusion of that until the case proper is heard on the 26th July).
Checking the census records (were people in jail included on the censuses?) If so, there are seven PATRICK O'CONNELL's of the correct age (assume he could have been in prison anywhere in the country?) Were there prisons in Birkenhead, Cardiff, Weymouth, Dalziel, Paddington or Woolwich in 1897?
Interestingly there is however an JOHANNA SULLIVAN of the correct age in the 1901 census, living in Poplar a coincidence or the same women released early from prison (assuming she did get the 8 years sentence suggested?)
To that end which prison would Sullivan have gone to - Is there anyway of ascertaining this & is it possible to research her via that means?
You will see it suggests that O'Connell & Sullivan were charged on the Coroner's Inquistion with the manslaughter of Forbes (O'connell it appears was separately indicted for the same offence). Yet I can find no record of this on the Old Bailey site (and thus assume that the evidence was just duplicated?)
The punishment being 8 years penal servitude, following both the defendants attacking the aggrieved in separate incidents.
I assume this to mean that both were sentenced to 8 years tariff?
If you read the whole case, O'Connell's version of events is recorded but not Sullivan's?
Sullivan is arrested the same day (27th May) by PC Endicott and gets a months imprisonment, the next day following being put before the Thames Court and would have been in prison when Forbes died (Forbes died 2 weeks later, whilst Sullivan is in prison).
On the 16th June there's the coroners court hearing. Whereby O'Connell is arrrsted by Insp Hancock. Sullivan is still serving her months sentence (and I assume would have been remanded at the conclusion of that until the case proper is heard on the 26th July).
Checking the census records (were people in jail included on the censuses?) If so, there are seven PATRICK O'CONNELL's of the correct age (assume he could have been in prison anywhere in the country?) Were there prisons in Birkenhead, Cardiff, Weymouth, Dalziel, Paddington or Woolwich in 1897?
Interestingly there is however an JOHANNA SULLIVAN of the correct age in the 1901 census, living in Poplar a coincidence or the same women released early from prison (assuming she did get the 8 years sentence suggested?)
To that end which prison would Sullivan have gone to - Is there anyway of ascertaining this & is it possible to research her via that means?
!! But anyway she still went to prison for a month for assaulting Forbes, for which Endicott arrested her. That being said, is it possible to ascertain which prison she would have gone to to serve out her sentence? Do they keep records and can they be viewed? I wonder whether a picture of her exists?
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