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  • #16
    Enjoy reading these and thought I would comment on Steve Blomer's article. For me the article had me thinking about Why..why one route vs the next and I think Steve captures the risk to think logically about it. I was unaware of the St James fire station as that would have been a serious risk for the killer.

    This is just an observation as objectively we really do not know what route the killer took but know he ended up on Goulston Street after murdering Catherine Eddowes in Mitre Square.

    Besides the fire station we know there was PC Watkins entering the Square and PC Harvey inspecting Church Passage. We also know that 3 witnesses Levy, Lawende and Harris that saw a man and woman at Church Passage around 1:35 am. The body found 10 minutrs later.

    This killer was virtually surrounded in a confined space. Either this killer had the biggest you know what on planet, was extraordinarily lucky, or he likely knew the streets better than his opponents. I personally lean to the latter as he was never caught.

    If Mitre Square was near the Killers home turf then it might explain how he got to Mitre Square and why all of the murders , except Mitre Square, were in Metro Police jurisdiction.

    it is possible Stride was murdered by someone else except for the fact that the throat cutting, and bleeding out, was a specific MO of this particular killer at this time and place.
    Cutting the throat is one thing, bleeding it out another.

    If this was the same killer then why not just head North from Berner Street? Why Mitre Square and then why Goulston Street?

    in my mind Figure 11 would make the most sense as the St James exit was risky. If the 3 eyewitness saw the killer and Eddowes then it is likely they saw the witnesses. Its possible they may have even heard Levys comments. According to Levy they were headed to Aldgate so walking in that direction might cause the killer to avoid Aldgate. Especially if he saw PC Harvey's lamp hit Church Passage at 1:40 am and knew he too was headed to Aldgate.

    To Steve's point of wanting to get as far away as possible as fast as possible, coming out of Church Passage and making a Left would help him avoid the witnesses and PC Harvey.

    If he was local and this was his turf then he likely knew that another PC would soon enter from Mitre Street.

    The Goulston Street dump makes sense if the killer is attempting to make London City Police believe he was heading North East. Again, why after killing Stride would he head to Mitre Square area. Because he knew St Botolphs was there and because he was heading home? Why not head North then if that is where he lived or was staying?

    Figure 11 seems to be the least risk for this killer. Of the 5 people that could have caught him in that 10 minute window, 4 were headed to Aldgate and 1 was about to enter Mitre Square from Mitre Street. Figure 5 using St James is also possible. Would a local know about the fire station?

    This Article really makes you think. Well done !!!!!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
      From this issue of Ripperologist:

      ...Weird
      Coincidences...
      …253 Whitechapel Road was the location where Thomas Coran found a bloodied knife in the early hours of the 1st October 1888. It was next door to 254 Whitechapel Road, a brothel where David Cohen was arrested in December 1888. Prior to that, 254 Whitechapel Road had been a cigar shop owned by John Levy. John’s brother Levi lived at 8 Mitre Street, which backed on to the spot where Catherine Eddowes body was found on the 30th September 1888…


      I wonder who came up with that?

      And was it a coincidence?​
      Hiya, Suzie here, it was Jonathan Tye's excellent research.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by New Ford Shunt View Post

        Hiya, Suzie here, it was Jonathan Tye's excellent research.
        Mr Tye is indeed an exceptional researcher; another level entirely and his work is to be applauded, commended and admired.

        When it comes to Ripper research...

        "Tye before you try"

        "Great minds, don't think alike"

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        • #19
          Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post

          Mr Tye is indeed an exceptional researcher; another level entirely and his work is to be applauded, commended and admired.

          When it comes to Ripper research...

          "Tye before you try"
          His Isaacs piece was to Tyed us over until his book comes out.

          Yours truly,

          Tom Wescott

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          • #20
            Originally posted by New Ford Shunt View Post

            Hiya, Suzie here, it was Jonathan Tye's excellent research.
            No it wasn't.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post

              No it wasn't.
              Well, that's who provided me with the information so that's who I'm crediting.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by New Ford Shunt View Post

                Well, that's who provided me with the information so that's who I'm crediting.
                ...Weird
                Coincidences...
                …253 Whitechapel Road was the location where Thomas Coran found a bloodied knife in the early hours of the 1st October 1888. It was next door to 254 Whitechapel Road, a brothel where David Cohen was arrested in December 1888. Prior to that, 254 Whitechapel Road had been a cigar shop owned by John Levy. John’s brother Levi lived at 8 Mitre Street, which backed on to the spot where Catherine Eddowes body was found on the 30th September 1888…


                I wonder who came up with that?

                And was it a coincidence?​​

                You're saying Jonathan Tye came up with this?

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                • #23
                  Jonathan Tye wrote and submitted the piece.

                  JM

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                  • #24
                    I see. Well, very good research, Jonathan.

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                    • #25
                      Jon Tye.....You're not Jon Smyth, are you? aka Wickerman? I ask because of the interest in Joseph Isaacs.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
                        Jon Tye.....You're not Jon Smyth, are you? aka Wickerman? I ask because of the interest in Joseph Isaacs.
                        Are you Mr. Poster?

                        Yours truly,

                        Tom Wescott

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                        • #27
                          Absolutely not.

                          Some years ago, I speculated that Isaacs and David Cohen went sent to the Leman St. Police Station separately on or around December 6, 1888 and may even have shared the same cell. Parts of Tye's article suggest that there were considerable murmurings of a Polish Jew suspect around that time, which may have started as Chinese whispers at the station without specific suspect details. I'm just wondering about the possibility of some of Isaacs and Cohen antecedents being mixed together as the story circulated.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
                            Absolutely not.

                            Some years ago, I speculated that Isaacs and David Cohen went sent to the Leman St. Police Station separately on or around December 6, 1888 and may even have shared the same cell. Parts of Tye's article suggest that there were considerable murmurings of a Polish Jew suspect around that time, which may have started as Chinese whispers at the station without specific suspect details. I'm just wondering about the possibility of some of Isaacs and Cohen antecedents being mixed together as the story circulated.
                            Butler is bleating on about an error in the publication. "It's quite interesting that the so-called 'Ripperologist' magazine, which proclaims itself to be the last word in Ripperological academic vigour, made a huge blunder in falsely claiming that 'David Cohen' was arrested at the Whitechapel brothel incident involving one Gertrude Smith."

                            Is this what he is referring to?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post

                              Butler is bleating on about an error in the publication. "It's quite interesting that the so-called 'Ripperologist' magazine, which proclaims itself to be the last word in Ripperological academic vigour, made a huge blunder in falsely claiming that 'David Cohen' was arrested at the Whitechapel brothel incident involving one Gertrude Smith."

                              Is this what he is referring to?
                              If you're confused, it could be because this "huge blunder," as Ed calls it, was a single sentence:

                              "It was next door to 254 Whitechapel Road, a brothel where David Cohen was arrested in December 1888.​"

                              The theory that Cohen was arrested in a brothel dates back to an essay Martin Fido published in 1999, and has been explored several times since, including in Scott Nelson's 2013 essay.

                              It's odd that only now is Ed throwing his hat in the ring, but I suspect he's been following the discussion on JTR Forum and is using the opportunity to take a rather over-the-top jab at the Ripperologist.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                                using the opportunity to take a rather over-the-top jab at the Ripperologist.
                                That’s Ripperologist Magazine: The Last Word in Ripperological Academic Vigour​.​



                                JM
                                Last edited by jmenges; Yesterday, 03:49 PM.

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