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  • #16
    "Robert Mann – 'the non-starter'"

    By Mei Trow

    A most fitting title!

    Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post
    I have stated repeatedly, that as suspects for having been 'Jack the Ripper' are concerned; Robert Mann is a non-starter.

    Well, it is time to state that as serious students of the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper' are concerned; M. J. Trow is a non-starter!
    As serious students of the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper' are concerned; the editor at Ripperologist that approved this article for publication is also a non-starter!

    "When you put forward a possible subject as Jack the Ripper — especially a new one as I did recently with the mortuary attendant Robert Mann — you must expect to get a bit of flak."

    ...

    "The attack that galls me most is the dismissive 'non-starter' comment. Robert Mann, says more than one blogger, is a 'non-starter'. We have all met the real non-starters already: any member of the royal family or their coterie; any foreign sailor; anyone who has no known connection with Whitechapel; M J Druitt; Michael Ostrog; Aaron Kosminski; Severin Klosowski; etc etc. The weight of evidence against any of these being the Whitechapel murderer is so huge that there is no case to answer and it is astonishing that whole books have been written about them and that they still feature in television documentaries."

    So, as suspects for having been 'Jack the Ripper' are concerned; Montague Druitt and Aaron Kosminski are amongst the "real non-starters"? (my emphasis)

    And the fact that "whole books have been written about them and that they still feature in television documentaries", is "astonishing"? (my emphasis)

    .........

    "There were an estimated 450,000 people living in the area in 1888. All the evidence points to the killer being local and being a man. That takes us down to 225,000. Interracial killing by sexual sadistic killers — such as black killing white and vice versa — is extremely rare. Since none of Jack's victims was Jewish, it is unlikely that Jack was a Jew. We know that the population of Whitechapel and Spitalfields was 90 per cent Jewish in 1888. We are therefore reduced to 22,500 non-Jewish males. Of these, an unknown percentage would be children or too old to commit physical crimes such as these. A reasonable assumption would take this number down to around 10,000; huge, of course, but not impossible for a modern police force to eliminate with the use of computers and house to house enquiries.

    Once we have our 10,000 we can start to look for known names and search for profiles. …"

    This is rudimentary, sophomoric, 'schoolboy' bullshit! It is the sort of garbage that is produced, when the responsibility for completing a man's job, is given to a boy; i.e. a non-starter!

    Ripperologist: The Journal of Jack the Ripper, East End and Victorian Studies should be embarrassed!

    "There were an estimated 450,000 people living in the area in 1888."

    There can be little doubt that the figure "450,000" has been derived from the stated population of the Parliamentary Borough of Tower Hamlets, in accordance with the Census of England & Wales, 1891: 451,973.

    I will demonstrate, when I am able to find the necessary amount of time for doing so (hopefully, within the next week -to- ten days); that the geographic parameters of the Parliamentary Borough of Tower Hamlets, in 1888, were most inappropriate for the defining the "area", as it relates to the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper'.

    I will demonstrate the same, with regard to London's 'East End', of 1888; as well as the Whitechapel Registration District, of 1888.

    I will, of course, propose a set of geographic parameters, for defining the "area", as it relates to the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper'; and justify an estimation of it having been populated by approximately 580,000 persons, in accordance with the Census of England & Wales, 1891, as well as Charles Booth survey data, of 1889.

    "All the evidence points to the killer being local ..."

    There is not one shred of evidence suggesting anything of the sort!

    The location of the deposit of Catherine Eddowes's blood-stained apron is the only tangible evidence that could possibly be perceived as suggesting as much; but it fails to do so, as it provides the investigator with little more than a vector, i.e. a direction of regress, from Mitre Square. For all we know, Eddowes's murder was on his way back to Colchester, when he dropped the apron-piece in the doorway of 108-119 Wentworth Model Dwellings, Goulston Street, Parish of St. Mary Whitechapel.

    "Interracial killing by sexual sadistic killers — such as black killing white and vice versa — is extremely rare. Since none of Jack's victims was Jewish, ..."

    Interaction between Britons / Anglo-Saxons of the British Isles (Aryans: i.e. Caucasoid), and either Sephardim of the Iberian Peninsula / Western Europe or Ashkenazim of Eastern Europe (Semites: i.e. also Caucasoid), cannot possibly be considered "interracial" (sic) (inter-racial). And it most certainly cannot be compared to interaction between Negroid and Caucasoid; i.e. 'blacks' and 'whites'.

    "Since none of Jack's victims was Jewish, it is unlikely that Jack was a Jew."

    Bullshit!

    "We know that the population of Whitechapel and Spitalfields was 90 per cent Jewish in 1888."



    Embarrassingly fallacious bullshit!

    There can be no doubt that Mr. Trow plainly and simply pulled that one out of his aft end!

    I will demonstrate, when I am able to find the necessary amount of time for doing so (again; hopefully, within the next week -to- ten days):

    - That London's 'East End' (population, in accordance with the 1891 census: 705,114) was, almost certainly, no more than ten percent Jewish

    - That the Parliamentary Borough of Tower Hamlets (population, in accordance with the 1891 census: 451,973) was, almost certainly, no more than fifteen percent Jewish

    - That the Whitechapel Registration District (population, in accordance with the 1891 census: 74,462) was, almost certainly, no more than fifty percent Jewish

    - That the actual "area", as it relates to the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper' (estimated population, in accordance with the 1891 census and Charles Booth's survey data, of 1889: ~580,000) was, almost certainly, no more than ten-to-fifteen percent Jewish

    "We are therefore reduced to 22,500 non-Jewish males."

    I will continue at some point, which will hopefully be, within the next week -to- ten days.

    In closing, for the time being; I will reiterate that as serious students of the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper' are concerned; M. J. Trow is a non-starter!

    Again; Ripperologist: The Journal of Jack the Ripper, East End and Victorian Studies should be embarrassed, by this sophomoric, 'schoolboy' inclusion.
    Last edited by Guest; 04-16-2010, 09:01 PM.

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    • #17
      As the website is still not up and running, and as I take it Chris George is no longer the editor, does anyone have a contact for subscription enquiries? I only have Chris George's personal email from previous conversations, but despite my subscription having started last month I don't seem to have received my issue?

      Cheers all.

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      • #18
        Tnb, I will PM you Adam Wood's email.

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        • #19
          Trevor,

          Check out my FB profile and message Adam Wood. If no joy message me.

          Colin,

          Have a brew and relax.

          You wont get many grey hairs that way.

          Monty
          Monty

          https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

          Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

          http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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          • #20
            Thanks Neil - but Robert got there first! Will let you know if Adam gets back to me or not. Cheers again, both.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by tnb
              I take it Chris George is no longer the editor
              Is this known or assumed?

              Yours truly,

              Tom Wescott

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              • #22
                This cover's typo:

                Laura Prieto ponders the 'Improbably Equation'

                I'm pondering it too.

                I'll be printing off Adam Went's article to read over the weekend and look forward to what he has to say. He had no 'acknowledgements' and his sources are unconventional to say the least, so it promises to quite an interesting read.

                For anyone following Roger Baynton's 'Dear Rip' saga, it was I who wrote him the e-mail telling him that his original letter was uncool, which it was, and this one was even less cool because it was completely insincere. He seems to think being uncool is a good thing, which might be why he didn't fit in on the message boards.

                Yours truly,

                Tom Wescott

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                • #23
                  Blimey,

                  With these lastest editions of Rip and Examiner, the powers that be are spoiling us.

                  Really enjoyed Adam and Lauras pieces. Good to see fairly new blood return.

                  Johns article was thoroughly enjoyable, with a few unseen gems. This guy should write a book.

                  The back cover is hooky huh? Only matter of time before it appears in Viz and their special feature Corner.

                  Monty
                  Monty

                  https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

                  Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                  http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Monty View Post
                    The back cover is hooky huh? Only matter of time before it appears in Viz and their special feature Corner.

                    Monty
                    Ah yes, the well known "Up the Blind Beggar Corner"

                    Andrew

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                    • #25
                      Tom- assumed, as I have had no communication from them to go on since starting my subscription and so only have the titbits from people who seem to know more about these matters on here to go on. Seeing as the words 'new editor' were being bandied around a page or two ago, I simply added 2 and 2. I may well have made 5.

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                      • #26
                        As usual, Eduardo's editorial is excellent.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by tnb View Post
                          As the website is still not up and running, and as I take it Chris George is no longer the editor, does anyone have a contact for subscription enquiries? I only have Chris George's personal email from previous conversations, but despite my subscription having started last month I don't seem to have received my issue?

                          Cheers all.
                          Who says I am no longer editor? Email me and I'll send you the issue. Or maybe you have it by now. Let me know.

                          C
                          Christopher T. George
                          Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
                          just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
                          For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
                          RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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                          • #28
                            Hello again Chris, and Sorry! As I said in reply to Tom's question, I was simply going on the amount of times the words 'new editor' had been mentioned, and of course having not had the edition couldn't check. My mistake. 2 and 2 making 5 indeed.

                            As you will see I have been given Adam Wood's address, but as of this morning still haven't heard anything back, and still no Ripperologist. Will PM you now with my email address to save you searching back for it.

                            Thanks Chris - and may I just say how glad I am that you have not in fact left us. :-) Seeing as you are stil in situ would you be able to answer the question I posed to Adam as to whether I am on the list or not, or whether there has been some problem that needs rectifying my end?

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                            • #29
                              Hi tnb, the reason there was speculation as to who the new editor would be, it was because Don Souden had resigned and had nothing to do with Chris George.

                              Yours truly,

                              Tom Wescott

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                              • #30
                                No Tom, I just think that whether I am ‘cool’ or not is a total irrelevance!
                                However you obviously think it’s a pre – requisite to ‘fit in on the message boards’ which I think rather proves my point, so lets leave it at that and agree to differ shall we?


                                Originally posted by Tom_Wescott View Post
                                Laura Prieto ponders the 'Improbably Equation'

                                I'm pondering it too.

                                I'll be printing off Adam Went's article to read over the weekend and look forward to what he has to say. He had no 'acknowledgements' and his sources are unconventional to say the least, so it promises to quite an interesting read.

                                For anyone following Roger Baynton's 'Dear Rip' saga, it was I who wrote him the e-mail telling him that his original letter was uncool, which it was, and this one was even less cool because it was completely insincere. He seems to think being uncool is a good thing, which might be why he didn't fit in on the message boards.

                                Yours truly,

                                Tom Wescott

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