Ripperologist 112

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi all

Further to my earlier post as to what a Victorian surgeon would have worn, I would point to another painting by American medical artist Thomas Eakins (1844-1916). Unlike Eakins' painting, The Gross Clinic, 1875, where the surgeons appear to be all wearing their regular street clothes, including frock coats and ties, in this later painting, The Agnew Clinic, 1889, the surgeons all appear to be wearing specialized white garb more like the scrubs we would expect for modern surgeons. Please note also that none of the men who are operating appear to be wearing ties, in contrast to the doctors or residents watching the procedure. The man at left clad in white is retiring professor of surgery Dr. D. Hayes Agnew of University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia, and students at the school commissioned Eakins to do the painting of the retiring professor. He might or might not be wearing a white apron or it could be a white smock. See also this portrait of Prof. Agnew in isolation which gives another perhaps clearer view of his attire. I am seeking some advice from a medical historian into this matter of what Dr. Brown likely would have worn when operating or in performing a postmortem.

Best regards

Chris George

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Monty,

My apologies, I assumed there was something Stride-related in there I had missed, since that's the only topic anyone asks my opinion on, and rarely even then. I can't say I personally have much to say about this other than I would very much liked to have been a fly on the wall in those meetings.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Monty]

All,

Just an interesting aside.

The image Stewart kindly provided, see below, has in interesting caption note with regard the photo of Moor Lane station which mentions a poster regarding the 7th Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers.......the very same battalion Brown was the Medical Officer in Charge.

[Monty]

Monty,

The other day you said there was something in your article you wanted my take on. What specific part? Page #? You've piqued my curiosity!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Tom,

This.

[Stewart P Evans]

Worth Noting

Just so we're clear, in all other station house photographs within, say, a 20 year range of this 1899 photo, there's not a single instance where either a doctor or a cook is present?
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott

It's also worth noting that I have never seen another uniformed police group photograph in which a man wearing an apron is present. To my mind this increases the possibility of it being a station house group photograph.

[Ally]

Interesting that was the letter they chose to include. The letter writer may not be the only passive-aggressive one there.

Sigh.

[Tom_Wescott]

I'm reading more of 112 now. I greatly enjoyed Jon Rees' review of these Holmes movies I haven't seen. I'm curious to know of his opinion of the 'Max Headroom' Holmes movies, or anybody's opinion for that matter. I've considered getting them. By the way, NOW'S the time to grab various Holmes DVD's on amazon while they're cheap and plentiful.

I just read a letter in the 'Dear Rip' section from Roger Baynton bashing the Casebook because he's too timid to post and get criticised. WTF? Who is this guy? That was uncool. Shame that portion of his letter had to be published at all, since its intent was presumably to review the new conference DVD. But then, if Rip editors went around editing letters at will, there'd no doubt be bitching about that as well. Anyway, passive-aggressive people like Baynton irk me.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Monty,

The other day you said there was something in your article you wanted my take on. What specific part? Page #? You've piqued my curiosity!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

According to the From hell letter, someone had be able to both remove a kidney and fry it up.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[ChrisGeorge]

Perhaps we can compromise. One day the cook doesn't turn up so Brown volunteers to do the meal. This photo is for the men's familes to have, should anything happen to them.

One of the great myths of the case was the peasouper fogs that occurred during the murders. Perhaps Dr Brown was on hand to serve up some real peasoup to the coppers?

[Tom_Wescott]

Just so we're clear, in all other station house photographs within, say, a 20 year range of this 1899 photo, there's not a single instance where either a doctor or a cook is present?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Robert]

I'd certainly rather have Bond doing the PG TIPS than Brown....just after examining Kate's nose....

[DVV]

Perhaps we can compromise. One day the cook doesn't turn up so Brown volunteers to do the meal.

Terrible!!!

[Garry Wroe]

Yes, having now seen the greyscale as opposed to the group photograph, the shirt is definitely pinstriped.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

[Hamrammr]

It's not. It's a stripped shirt. Which is clearly visible on the photograph.

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Thanks Rob. I was about to state the same thing. Clearly a striped shirt. :-)