Ripperologist 112

[Stewart P Evans]

City Area

Stewart, all,
After doing a little research, a reliable source informs me that Moor Lane was indeed a station house upon its completion in 1840, this thanks to Don Rumbelows 'I spy blue'.
If it still was in the 1890s Im not sure however theres a possibilty it was indeed.
Its only fair and correct that this is mentioned
Cheers
Monty

They certainly were still station (section) houses in 1889 and as the City Police required their men to live in the City area they continued to be a requisite.

[Monty]

Chadwick,

Arthur Conan Doyle and Brown did meet each other as Brown gave a tour of the murder Ripper sites to the members of Our Society, of which Doyle was a member.

Alas, the case Stewart and I mention, the false begger Brown examined, happened a few years after Doyle released 'The man with the twisted lip'. Therefore the 'inspiration' could have been reversed.

Monty

[Chadwick]

Chadwick,

Arthur Conan Doyle and Brown did meet each other as Brown gave a tour of the murder Ripper sites to the members of Our Society, of which Doyle was a member.

Alas, the case Stewart and I mention, the false begger Brown examined, happened a few years after Doyle released 'The man with the twisted lip'. Therefore the 'inspiration' could have been reversed.

Monty

Thanks, Monty, for that interesting connection between Brown and Conan Doyle.

I did mean it to be case of life imitating art! I could see by the dates that the Brown/beggar fellow had to have come after the Sherlock Holmes story. Apologies that I didn't write it clearly enough to put that across.

I thought it was an amusing angle on the issue.

Best to you,

~Chadwick

[Natalie Severn]

Didn't I scan parts of it for you from my copy?



I know the feeling well. Being led away by men in white coats in my case

Here's the Possible Frederick Gordon Brown photo (c1899) me and Neil Identified and a drawing of Brown from The Penny Illustrated Paper, October 1888.
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This is another drawing of Brown from Lloyds Weekly Newspaper, 7 October 1888
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Rob

The two drawings present a problem for me actually.If you look at the noses in each of the two drawings of Dr Gordon Brown,[you can see them in the earlier posts] you will see they are totally different noses!
In the second picture the bridge of the nose is slightly "hooked" but in the other drawing Brown is given a little snub nose! In fact I dont see a strong likeness between the drawings---they could be of two different men .
But in the second Dr Brown looks more the distinguished Police surgeon whereas the first one is an altogether rougher drawing.
If Stewart is correct and Dr Brown" age was 58 at the time this photograph was taken,then he appears to look about twenty five years younger.

But I do agree that the man in the photograph wearing the cook"s apron looks a lot like the man in the first drawing of Dr Brown. However he looks nothing like him in the second drawing of Dr Brown,the one where the bridge of his nose is given a slight "hook",in my opinion.
Best
Norma

[Monty]

Stewart,

Im just about to leave and play cricket so have little time to compile a full response to your posts.

However I will say whoever informed you that we HAVE found a photo of Brown holds the responsibility of that misleading statement rather than Rob or myself. We have been very clear in presenting the photo as a 'possible' photo and our opinions are also highlighted as just that, our opinions.

I hold no responsibility for others making erronous statements...we have been very clear.

Monty

[Stewart P Evans]

Moor Lane Police Station

The photograph of Moor Lane police station together with potted history was included in the 1989 book City of London Police '150 Years of Service'.

[Stewart P Evans]

Strange World

Stewart,
...However I will say whoever informed you that we HAVE found a photo of Brown holds the responsibility of that misleading statement rather than Rob or myself. We have been very clear in presenting the photo as a 'possible' photo and our opinions are also highlighted as just that, our opinions.
I hold no responsibility for others making erronous statements...we have been very clear.
Monty

Ah but this is the strange world of Ripperology - where 'highly probable' becomes 'definite' in the minds of those who wish it to be so. As I have said the man in the apron also appears to be much too young to be Brown.

[Natalie Severn]

Great pic of Major Henry Smith there Stewart! Thanks for that.

[Natalie Severn]

Ah but this is the strange world of Ripperology - where 'highly probable' becomes 'definite' in this minds of those who wish it to be so. As I have said the man in the apron also appears to be much to young to be Brown.

Can I ask Stewart----did you also notice the men had two entirely different noses in the drawings of Dr Gordon Brown? The question has to be asked which nose is the right nose?

[Stewart P Evans]

Bishopsgate Police Station

The aforementioned book also included a nice photograph of Bishopsgate Police Station.

[Monty]

Stewart,

Thats their issue Im afraid. Whoever it was that told you this has not read the article, not correctly at least.

If they had they would have realised that you were one of the very first people we consulted.

As for the age, pah, you look 25 at least.

Monty

[Stewart P Evans]

Deceptive

Can I ask Stewart----did you also notice the men had two entirely different noses in the drawings of Dr Gordon Brown? The question has to be asked which nose is the right nose?

Yes, Norma I think that drawings can be very deceptive. The photograph of Henry Smith is from his book From Constable to Commissioner (1910).

[Stewart P Evans]

OK

Stewart,
Thats their issue Im afraid. Whoever it was that told you this has not read the article, not correctly at least.
If they had they would have realised that you were one of the very first people we consulted.
As for the age, pah, you look 25 at least.
Monty

OK, OK, flattery will get you everywhere - it must be Brown in the photograph.

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Stewart.I love the picture of Bishopsgate Police Station.Its much more impressive that the one they replaced it with.
Best
Norma

[Suzi]

Interesting thread here-

Hi chaps-
At first look I would imagine 'Mr White Apron' would be connected 'er with the 'Catering Industry'-but WHY?.....very odd though to be so prominent in such an official looking photograph....

Looking back at it again - a police surgeon may be more likely and more than likely very possible!
- fascinating! - Obviously a character in the station who was well known -and therefore couldn't be missed out of the official 'shot'...... Interesting.... and he would want to be seen in his 'whites'- Whether it's Brown or not- is something else again......

Just off to see if I can touch the top of my nose with one eye shut!